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awesomex wrote:

This isn’t a huge win, but it’s quite decent. I know how much Steve likes to see these, so I’m expecting when you see this Steve, you’ll atleast go half chub! Lol

Which basically means he will go all the way to 2 inches 🙂

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Biohazard wrote:

I’m sorry that you feel like you’re being bullied by me, Mr B, but I want to point out that it took you several snide remarks from yourself in responses to posts I made to reignite this debate. I let the first couple slide, but you continued so I gave you what you wanted and made my points clear on this topic once again.

If you choose to ignore what I write in response, then that’s your choice, but I think I’ve only said one thing that was slightly out of line (in my last post), but I hope you understand how frustrating it is to put this much effort into explaining this topic and for it to get ignored. Other members have acknowledged what has been written and contributed, valuably, to the debate. You have not, and instead sustained the same points that have already been refuted as if you haven’t read a single thing that has been written.

Let’s be adults about this rather than make threads like these. All this does is make Steve and Dave feel like they have to mother us.

If my mother looked like the Bandit I would have serious concerns 🙂  Confess I get confused by your techno babble but I am grateful for your efforts in trying to explain it.    I operate on the basis that I don’t care how it works as long as it works, not least that knowing how it works isn’t going to stop my cash disappearing faster t

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I would have to agree with Mr B to a certain extent here.  I’m not sure it’s actually bullying, but there is a modicum of abuse being thrown around the programming thread at the moment, which is some cases unwarranted.

Healthy debate is good, calling people stupid or dumb because they either don’t understand your point of view or disagree with it is not debate, that’s just name calling.

Sometimes it is easier just to step back, not get drawn into the argument and it eventually dies off.

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Just Basics wrote:

In this whole thread there isnt a single fucking FACT! Including my own statements.

Everyone is going off what they have read somewhere. No one here is a head of a casino, or has inside knowledge on how online slots really work. So dont spout shit cos you think you know. When obviously you dont. All you have is knowledge on how an un-rigged slot “should” work in a non corrupt world.

<span style=”font-size: 1rem;”>And Pls dont say im too stupid understand something when i dont agree with you. Cos Its just rude and ignorrant. I do understand, but in all honesty i cant be arsed reading a 1000 worded reply that sounds like a robot. </span>

Im here to entertain and have a laugh.

Not to get tag teamed by a set of numpties with IQ’s slightly higher than my own.

 

To be honest I don’t understand any of the techno babble, I just know I’m going to lose most of the time.

Which makes me pretty dumb 🙂

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Hacko1 wrote:

P.s I’m now going down to the bookies to lose more of my money on other forms of gambling but I’m one step ahead of them this time, I’ve greased myself up prior to my visit so it won’t hurt as much

I’m not going down the bookies, as I am staying away until after 1 Apr as I don’t want to end up spunking cash into the roulette machine 🙂

However, like you I know its slanted in the bookies favour, of course it is, thats how they make money, and if they weren’t making money there wouldnt be gambling.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I just found this thread interesting, I would like to know however how they actually programme a slot to give a lower RTP on lower stakes and whether it makes the programming much more difficult.

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argyl53 wrote:

@Dune2000

Don’t get me wrong, I understand the concept but still adhere to my principle that the random number generator is programmable and hence not random.

The game is programmable, i.e. the design of the reels and paytable, what the chances are of you hitting a win and how much it will be. The RNG is not. The RNG is the dice roll; the provider can’t make it land on a number less than 8, but they have designed the game so that on an entirely random outcome, you only have a 5 in 12 chance of hitting a win. The RTP of the dice game can very easily be adjusted up or down and still the outcome of every roll is random. For example, if we want a 100% RTP, we just make it so you win double your bet if the total is 7 or above, giving you a 50/50 chance of winning. If we want the RTP to be 90%, we make it so you only have to hit 7 or above but instead of winning £2, you win £1.80. These are the parameters the game designers can control, not the random outcome.

Thanks – that makes sense now.- the RNG is truly random, but the game is programmed to pay out less than it takes in.

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argyl53 wrote:

A long, long time ago, I worked in customer service, specifically for a directory enquiries call centre. We had a very specific script we had to follow and we’d get in trouble if we deviated from it, even slightly and even if it was in an effort to give the customer a better service.

I lost count of the number of times I was called stupid, for example, because someone would ask for e.g. a taxi in Swansea and the first result on my screen was a paying advertiser who was a taxi company in Cardiff. Guess what? The rule was I had to read out the top advertiser, so even though I knew it wasn’t what the customer was asking for, I’d have to offer them the number of a taxi company in Cardiff. I was then able to read out the taxi companies in Swansea after they declined. But that wouldn’t stop me getting the abuse from irate customers wondering why the hell this guy on the phone would go “I’ve got ZZ Taxis in Cardiff” when they asked for a taxi in a totally different town.

I was shouted at and called all sorts of names because someone asked for a number that wasn’t listed, or they wanted someone’s home number who was ex-directory, or our system had no record of Woolworths on the street name they insisted it was on, etcetera etcetera.

As a result of this job, I am incredibly respectful to all front line customer service workers now, because I know how stupid the systems imposed on you from above can be, how constrained you are in your ability to help no matter how much you want to and how god-awful and abusive many members of the public can be.

So yeah, when you say “that same copy and paste response changed nothing, just attempted to insult me again”, that guy is not trying to insult you at all, he’s doing his probably quite low paying job within the shitty parameters he’s been given, but you’re probably not making his day great by ranting at him about how everything’s corrupt and calling him ignorant. In another thread, you said “I try to live good with people, I try to speak my mind without persecuting people. I also have no inner wish to cause someone a bad day.” – forgive me if I kindly remind you even casino first line customer support workers are people too.

LOL – to be honest if I was paying £1.50 a minute for a call, asked for a taxi company in Swansea and the guy on the end of the line starting taking up my time briefing me on taxi’s in Cardiff I would probably have a few choice words to say to him too,

That said, call centres are shitty places to work – you don’t get many thanks and you are watched all the time by supervisors who either screw over your bonus if you make a mistake or get you sacked.    That’s why you will only ever get generic cut and paste from them – they are watched closer than a  Russian spy in the White House (Trump)

I’m pretty sure when this guy was growing up he didn’t say to his parents, when I grow up I want to work in a Casino call centre 🙂

 

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Haz40 wrote:

What i wondered was in the recent statements from video slots stating certain games will have a reduced rtp my question is how is that possible if a slot is random. My only guess is a lower paid symbol would be added to each reel or not maybe.

I rest my case, such as it is – video slots stating the certain games will have a reduced RTP is clear evidence to me that they can control the outcomes, and hence the random element is gone.

However its a moot issue, you should go into every session knowing you are going to be ass raped by the casino, and even if you win big the casino lawyers will be asking you to prove where you got your money from to gamble, and checking you didn’t do a £5.01 spin whilst on a bonus 🙂

But gamblers live on hope and that’s what makes it fun I guess, the adrenalin surge if the big one comes in

 

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argyl53 wrote:

Too many, my friend, too many

Thanks, I get the dice analogy, but even on this premise, it is the provider who is deciding what number is a win and which number is not.  So they still control the random nature of the game.

If it was truly random to my mind, without any industry influence on the outcome then there would be the possibililty of a continual stream of wins for gamblers and casino’s going out of business.

The fact that they can run businesses, employ hundreds of staff, pay affiliate fees etc etc is clear evidence that this is not random by any stretch of the imagination, they know the games are not random and then can expect huge returns.

Don’t get me wrong, I understand the concept but still adhere to my principle that the random number generator is programmable and hence not random.

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OK so I don’t have the brains of you guys on this issue clearly, but I have a problem with some of the language

The gist seems to be that the slots are random number generators which can produce any results.  But then we go on to say that a house edge is built in, which surely means that they cannot be random, else how can you build in an edge.   And here comes my next question, if you can build in an edge what is to stop you reprogramming that random slot to give yourself a greater edge.

I have observed slots where the average payout reduces based on your stake – again this seems to imply that  this randomness is controlled else how could you facilitate a different level of RTP for each stake.

So all of this to me creates doubt on the industries use of the phrase random number generator, its seems to be more a controlled random number generator which is a contradiction in terms.

 

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I’m still laughing at you saying that you want your account closed completely so it can be reactivated, and him replying please contact us if you want to reactivate your account.

That chat session was unreal – are you sure Cedric actually exists?   If you go to the company I think you will find he is large, square and has lots of blinking lights

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I can totally understand that, i loved them at one point, then moved on to roulette (big mistake) – but on a number of occasions I moved over to slots to give myself some variety.

The boredom just drove me to distraction, just watching the wheels spin interminably for the occasional so called big win, which most times was a fraction of what I had already put in.  For me this issue is that the excitement is in the bonuses (which is why I like the bandits videos), standing there for 30 minutes or more playing £2 a spin and watching returns of 50p etc just numbed my brain,and there is very little excitement as they throw in so many teases that eventually you don’t even get excited when 2 bonus symbols appear, you just expect it not to happen.  .  I will say as well that I find the developers tactics somewhat insulting, bring up BIG WIN pictures with bells and whistles when you win a small pittance just shows that they consider us dumb and easily influenced by shiny pictures  (which we probably are but they dont need to rub it in)

Probably a lucky escape for you – if you had enjoyed them you might have ended up on the road to ruin – and I know that £290 isnt a massive amount, but it’s a whole weekend in Prague or Paris etc, which has to be better than 5 hours in front of computer watching a set of graphics spin.

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thatfamousjimmy wrote:

Hi everyone,

I just span approx 2500 spins on the Bonanza slot on various stakes from £2-£20 spending over £5000…

In all those spins (over two separate sessions) I did not get ANY bonuses at all. I played at I believe a well known casino but I can’t help but think there is a glitch/error with the slot so that a bonus can’t land? Of course I understand that slots are luck but with the RTP % surely I should have got lots of bonuses or at worse at least one?? I’ve requested all the spin transaction details from the site because this doesn’t seem right to me and I feel like I’ve been scammed. I was never intending to deposit anywhere near that amount of money but get ploughing on to hit the bonus as it “surely must be due by now”. I honestly feel sick.

I’d appreciate it if people could give me their thoughts on this? Anyone else ever had this many spins without a bonus feature?

I want to complain but feel like they will just give standard template reply that I was just unlucky but if there is a problem with the slot how would be know?? I should have move on but after putting thousands into it you of course want to see the bonus!

Thanks,

James

There is no scam here other than you scamming yourself 🙁  You have fallen into the slot players delusion of assuming that a bonus is due.  If you read up anywhere on this subject every spin is independent of every other spin, hence nothing is ever due.

Complaining to the Casino that you didnt get a bonus is just likely to generate much mirth at the other end of the email trail and will not get you anything.

Quite simply, you gambled, you lost – need to learn the lesson and move on.   If I may offer a personal non offensive view, gambling £20 a  spin on a slot which as someone else said bonuses maybe every 500 spins is just insanity, you either have to have immense luck, a bottomless wallet or go by the name of NickSlots (in which case it is probably a dodgy win anyway 🙂 )

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I’m wishing eternal unemployment on every piece of shit stood behind that counter who has watched me lose stacks on the roulette (my own fault)  and as I walk back to top up asks me would I like to raise the maximum bet to £100 a spin.

Those scumbags deserve unemployment – losing is my own dumb fault – offering me the chance to lose faster and bigger is theirs 🙂

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