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Seyahkram1977 wrote:

Dynamik23 wrote:

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

I think your question has many branches…..so they “could” check the various sites to find a casino that uses higher rtp, but as you say in your question, it’s not something they know about , buttttt when I went to the horse races for the first time, I asked and read up on rules and odds ( and on such a sport  I was potentially loosing money on why wouldn’t I ?) . poker the same, so I think it’s also down to the person playing to understand the parameters , how does a casino highlight something important if the player doesn’t recognise its importance in the beginning  ????  Rtp isn’t a great secret and after finding a decent casino thats responsible, rtp is the next advice that’s given by everyone when people are looking for their slots.  21 casino has a great page taht opens when you choose a game, it shows all the details( rtp  included )and you have to click confirm again to play, that could be a way forward for casinos, but again even with the huge banner across the screen the player has to know what the rtp is for, and you’d hope ( because rtp is so high on the “how to find a good casino list “ ) they would be aware of rtp’s and it’s potential in their games…

equally this  argument falls into two lanes, low rtp in general , and casinos reducing rtp .. that’s a muddier water…., what seems to be unfair is lowering the rtp with out it being highlighted…. why would you think a game that’s 97.8% rtp would change to 95% ? Well you wouldn’t, and even seasoned player got caught out and only realised it when their sessions weren’t playing the same as they used to…that I think is more unfair to your customers, than just having a low rtp …..

 

 

Yeah for sure it is players responsibility and many just don’t care but a new player or even a seasoned gambler from live casinos and bookies categorical won’t know that some providers even have the same slot with 2 different rtps, I have gambled worked in and around casinos for 7 years and I only found out about the differing rtps on the same slot via this forum. I always check RTP to make sure I’m not getting screwed anyways but not having that vital information makes checking RTP beforehand irrelevant. Something needs to be done and I don’t know the answer. One thing I do know is providers shouldn’t be allowed to make multiple RTPs for the same slot and ukgc regulated casinos shouldn’t be allowed to choose the lower end ones.

that’s a fair an valid point…I think as an attraction to the casinos the rtp’s will become the battlefield, and I’m quite surprised the casinos with the best rtp’s haven’t advertised it against their competitors…but I suppose if they were better on “book of dead” say,  they may be worse on others …..for sure the answer is educating on the basics of slots and for the companies and authorities to bring all players up to a certain level of knowledge regarding casinos and their games …Equally like my sausages it’s right that casinos openly show the “ ingredients”, don’t want pig when I’m paying for horse …… wait …. that’s not  right ….

Yeah it is surprising like. One thing I don’t know, is for example, slotplanet in the UK is higher on book of dead but in Scotland is it? Or Germany? or France? I don’t know what countries can play what sites but what I’m getting at is 1. Is it possible to change the RTP games in different countries and 2. Can they swap and change at any point. So could slotplanet make every Friday/Saturday a lower RTP slot day if they wished? It does sound quite conspiracy like from me which it isn’t supposed to be but I just feel like unless a casino is legally obliged to tell you something they won’t, which is from personal experience working in land based casinos. It’s not lying but it’s withholding information to make more money.

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Tpritchard wrote:

Dynamik23 wrote:

So I was bored and decided to scan through all the casinos I play at/have an account at to see which ones use lower RTP slots. After the videoslots bullshit I thought there may be a few but I was shocked at how many actually choose these lower RTP slots.

BETVICTOR

KASSU

Casino casino

Casoola

YAKO.

The only casinos I use that don’t use the lower RTP slots are

Paddy power

Slotplanet

Imo if you choose to play and know the full details then that’s fine. However, how many people even know that some providers offer 2 different RTP levels? Maybe 10%? 5%? So now the question is if a player who doesn’t know about this how can they make a informed decision when deciding where to gamble their money? They can’t, it’s that simple. It isn’t the players responsibility to gain knowledge and details of every slot provider to then go into a game and check RTP and make sure that it is the higher version. Imo casinos could potentially be breaking responsible gambling by not informing players that such a thing exist from some providers. What are other people’s thoughts?

4 out of the 5 there are on most YouTube streamers links. Chip fruity slots and jimbo are all affiliated with them and I have seen people raise this question with them and why they don’t make the subscribers aware of the lower RTP but again who does it come down to check, the streamers advertising the casinos or the player signing upto the casino. It’s like spinz casino only has a 4x bonus conversion and it being advertised a lot by certain streamers but do they have to tell the people that want to sign up through there link or is it down to the people signing up to check themselves

It would for sure be nice for the affiliates to tell their watchers but do they then risk losing the affliation? All I want is transparency. I’m not sure who posted it, bio maybe but he gave some stats for how much a 2% decrease effects play time. It was actually shocking.

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Ghostdog wrote:

Right this is my rant … no normal person can do anyone of these 3 things on reel king !!! 1.  get 5 scrolls is actually impossible at the most I have only ever got 3 !! 2. Hit the so called jackpot screen which I have seen many many times with so called real money streamers …never gonna happen for us normal player and finally top the ladder !!! Just been playing for white a while now and never even get close managed to get 2 from the top once and the donk now win !!! I can guarantee that for us real players it will never ever happen I will even go as far to say I’ll bet it doesnt happen for a normal non steaming gambler … and b4 anyone says anything I’m not bitter or jealous at all been gambling for 25 years now … won decent money and lost many many times I just find alot of what goes on now a days utter rubbish and it winds me up !!!

They knew you were a whiny bitch so decided to give you the “bellend RTP” you should make a channel and record your sessions and you will get the “streamer RTP” easy fix mate.

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Seyahkram1977 wrote:

I think your question has many branches…..so they “could” check the various sites to find a casino that uses higher rtp, but as you say in your question, it’s not something they know about , buttttt when I went to the horse races for the first time, I asked and read up on rules and odds ( and on such a sport  I was potentially loosing money on why wouldn’t I ?) . poker the same, so I think it’s also down to the person playing to understand the parameters , how does a casino highlight something important if the player doesn’t recognise its importance in the beginning  ????  Rtp isn’t a great secret and after finding a decent casino thats responsible, rtp is the next advice that’s given by everyone when people are looking for their slots.  21 casino has a great page taht opens when you choose a game, it shows all the details( rtp  included )and you have to click confirm again to play, that could be a way forward for casinos, but again even with the huge banner across the screen the player has to know what the rtp is for, and you’d hope ( because rtp is so high on the “how to find a good casino list “ ) they would be aware of rtp’s and it’s potential in their games…

equally this  argument falls into two lanes, low rtp in general , and casinos reducing rtp .. that’s a muddier water…., what seems to be unfair is lowering the rtp with out it being highlighted…. why would you think a game that’s 97.8% rtp would change to 95% ? Well you wouldn’t, and even seasoned player got caught out and only realised it when their sessions weren’t playing the same as they used to…that I think is more unfair to your customers, than just having a low rtp …..

 

 

Yeah for sure it is players responsibility and many just don’t care but a new player or even a seasoned gambler from live casinos and bookies categorical won’t know that some providers even have the same slot with 2 different rtps, I have gambled worked in and around casinos for 7 years and I only found out about the differing rtps on the same slot via this forum. I always check RTP to make sure I’m not getting screwed anyways but not having that vital information makes checking RTP beforehand irrelevant. Something needs to be done and I don’t know the answer. One thing I do know is providers shouldn’t be allowed to make multiple RTPs for the same slot and ukgc regulated casinos shouldn’t be allowed to choose the lower end ones.

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Rbreen91 wrote:

Coral have lower RTP slots too.

i don’t use any that offer the lower RTP versions, I fucked them off.

Don’t have a account and won’t be making one now. It’s on my list. Same here they can all suck a fat one.

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This cunt is on my permanent ban list. Huge potential but it can fuck right off haha. UL with the retrigger paying shit.

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SlotsCrack wrote:

Avoid it. Ive attempted nummerous grinding on all sorts of bets. This game proberly works on a progression based jackpot or payout, and its just not there or at least not worth the time and / or funds.

 

 

Lol.

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Biohazard wrote:

Dynamik23 wrote:

I do understand his and your point of view, morally is isn’t that ethical I agree but there are some games and sidebets that casinos use that have up to a 19.43% house edge. As you know this number is incredibly high and imo is as morally unethical as making sixteen accounts to exploit a glitch to gain a advantage.

When I worked at Grosvenor casinos one of the touchbets had  a glitch in the system, basically what happened was £20 notes were being processed as £50. My question to you is would you only put that one £20 in or would you take advantage and put more in? Another one (true story) a auto roulette wheel had  been incorrectly made and it had 2 halfs of the same wheel. In one night 2 players made around 17k between them before the mistake was realised. The casino had no legal right to get that money back. (Casino did ask and were refused and subsequently barred) would you exploit this and make a decent wedge? And if you did would you give the money back if caught despite no legal obligation to do so?

Imho it comes down to morals and ethics. If I found a wallet or purse with money in it, I would and have found the person to give it all back. I know many people wouldn’t which I would consider thievery, but  faced with these questions that I have asked I would 100% take the chance and I would not consider myself or anyone else a thief who did so.

Sorry @Dynamik23, I wasn’t questioning your morality. It’s definitely not as clear cut, ethically, as some other examples that people have posted here over the years.

Also, I do agree with the whole side bet house edge situation, I love side bets for the volatility, but the sheer amount of edge on them is disgraceful most of the time. And they don’t make that easy to view either.

In all of your examples, I would make the party in question aware of the situation so that they could rectify it. I’ve played a lot of blackjack in casinos over the years, and the amount of times that the dealers have overpaid me is crazy. But I always make them aware of it and give them the money back, as it’s the right thing to do and so they don’t get penalised as a result.

It’s all good bro, I didn’t think you were. I have 7 years of croupier experience and trust me the only time a dealer would be penalised for a over/under payment is if it was over their allowed threshold to pay without a check. I once underpaid a player by I think 1.8k and about an hour later realised and told the manager. I was all clear as I got it checked by my inspector who got it checked by the pitboss so it’s goes onto the pitbosses head. What I do if I’m over paid is tell the dealer or if I realise after the money is in my stack/hand I give it as a tip. Like you said this isn’t a clear cut right and wrong imo. Is it morally wrong? It’s close. Is it taking advantage? 100%. Does it make OP a thief? For me no but I can see why others would think so. Like you say I believe some the BJ sidebets are disgraceful and morally way worse than anything OP did, especially when it comes down to clearly advising it. An example is aces. 4 of the same suited ace wins the jackpot. Ranges from 100k-500k. £1 bet but house edge is 19.43%. with all the bells and whistles and the huge screen, you can barely see it. I know games are regulated but I don’t think sidebets are put under as much scrutiny as new games are.

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Biohazard wrote:

SlotsCrack wrote:

Well the casino’s have for ages an advantage on players. Why not turn it around (when you can).

Well yeah… they’re a business, not a charity.

Run187 wrote:

They used SIXTEEN accounts to abuse a glitch and you don’t see that as stealing? There is a world of difference between an advantage player and a thief.

an edge is not knowingly exploiting a software glitch for profit across multiple accounts on sites where your allowed one

I agree with @Run187 here. I think if it was just the one account, something that happened one time as a nice surprise, I’d be saying fair play, enjoy the money. But to create 16 accounts to take advantage of this issue, which could have cost the business a significant amount of money, is incredibly exploitative behaviour.

For the record, advantage plays such as card counting, I’m in full support of. It’s something I used to do myself, but as was said above, there is a distinction between these two acts.

I do understand his and your point of view, morally is isn’t that ethical I agree but there are some games and sidebets that casinos use that have up to a 19.43% house edge. As you know this number is incredibly high and imo is as morally unethical as making sixteen accounts to exploit a glitch to gain a advantage.

When I worked at Grosvenor casinos one of the touchbets had  a glitch in the system, basically what happened was £20 notes were being processed as £50. My question to you is would you only put that one £20 in or would you take advantage and put more in? Another one (true story) a auto roulette wheel had  been incorrectly made and it had 2 halfs of the same wheel. In one night 2 players made around 17k between them before the mistake was realised. The casino had no legal right to get that money back. (Casino did ask and were refused and subsequently barred) would you exploit this and make a decent wedge? And if you did would you give the money back if caught despite no legal obligation to do so?

Imho it comes down to morals and ethics. If I found a wallet or purse with money in it, I would and have found the person to give it all back. I know many people wouldn’t which I would consider thievery, but  faced with these questions that I have asked I would 100% take the chance and I would not consider myself or anyone else a thief who did so.

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thewizard wrote:

so you are on here glorifying the fact that you stole 10k from a gambling company…….

 

way to go dude, let’s hope they dont see this post.

It’s not stealing or even cheating. It’s gaining an edge. Is card counting on blackjack stealing? Is edge sorting on Punto banco stealing? If the casino allows a player to play a game and that player manages to gain a edge then it’s the casinos duty to nullify that edge.

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War room. It’s actually a brilliant idea. If you could ban people from the normal threads but still allow them to post in a war room thread it would be epic. So many people would come back to whine and moan and we could get the epic JB threads back. Pretty please @bandit @seedy.

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Had two yesterday in 100 spins. 130x and 150x. Just one of them things.

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Can’t stand chip and haven’t really given hideous a fair watch yet. However I’ve recently started watching nozzer slots, christ if you can understand a word he says it’s fucking hilarious.

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mattowl1867 wrote:

Excellent news man!

I feel rewarded for opening and enjoying this thread, thanks for the boost.

 

I worked shifts pre-lockdown and now i can say, after 6-7 weeks now, have happily not FOBT’d. I would sometimes play them before shift AND after shift that day if i was on a ‘mid’ 10-8pm. Flushing a days tips away on top, to boot.

 

Don’t miss them dirty b@stard things one bit, i got so fed up of them (still playing Dragon Bet Roulette) I’d find myself slamming things on my walk home or spitting on the machine slyly as i left, beaten, again.

 

I got blurred by the days I’d win £300 with a few quid on number 33 or whatever had the dragon multiplier on. The pain has gone now but I’ll never go on one again i know that much.

I enjoy low rolling online now, ridiculous how far 20p spins can get you compared to a Wetherspoons feature on Wish Upon a JP…. ha. Saddo!

 

Happy Tuesday to all! Building some lego today with the Mrs… we are both over 30 ; )

Is dragon bet roulette the same as lightning roulette but you get 28-1 rather than 30-1?

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Christ how is this thread still a thing. Nearly as bad as the man who shan’t be named threads. Only nearly mind you.

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