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I do understand his and your point of view, morally is isn’t that ethical I agree but there are some games and sidebets that casinos use that have up to a 19.43% house edge. As you know this number is incredibly high and imo is as morally unethical as making sixteen accounts to exploit a glitch to gain a advantage.
When I worked at Grosvenor casinos one of the touchbets had a glitch in the system, basically what happened was £20 notes were being processed as £50. My question to you is would you only put that one £20 in or would you take advantage and put more in? Another one (true story) a auto roulette wheel had been incorrectly made and it had 2 halfs of the same wheel. In one night 2 players made around 17k between them before the mistake was realised. The casino had no legal right to get that money back. (Casino did ask and were refused and subsequently barred) would you exploit this and make a decent wedge? And if you did would you give the money back if caught despite no legal obligation to do so?
Imho it comes down to morals and ethics. If I found a wallet or purse with money in it, I would and have found the person to give it all back. I know many people wouldn’t which I would consider thievery, but faced with these questions that I have asked I would 100% take the chance and I would not consider myself or anyone else a thief who did so.
Sorry @Dynamik23, I wasn’t questioning your morality. It’s definitely not as clear cut, ethically, as some other examples that people have posted here over the years.
Also, I do agree with the whole side bet house edge situation, I love side bets for the volatility, but the sheer amount of edge on them is disgraceful most of the time. And they don’t make that easy to view either.
In all of your examples, I would make the party in question aware of the situation so that they could rectify it. I’ve played a lot of blackjack in casinos over the years, and the amount of times that the dealers have overpaid me is crazy. But I always make them aware of it and give them the money back, as it’s the right thing to do and so they don’t get penalised as a result.
It’s all good bro, I didn’t think you were. I have 7 years of croupier experience and trust me the only time a dealer would be penalised for a over/under payment is if it was over their allowed threshold to pay without a check. I once underpaid a player by I think 1.8k and about an hour later realised and told the manager. I was all clear as I got it checked by my inspector who got it checked by the pitboss so it’s goes onto the pitbosses head. What I do if I’m over paid is tell the dealer or if I realise after the money is in my stack/hand I give it as a tip. Like you said this isn’t a clear cut right and wrong imo. Is it morally wrong? It’s close. Is it taking advantage? 100%. Does it make OP a thief? For me no but I can see why others would think so. Like you say I believe some the BJ sidebets are disgraceful and morally way worse than anything OP did, especially when it comes down to clearly advising it. An example is aces. 4 of the same suited ace wins the jackpot. Ranges from 100k-500k. £1 bet but house edge is 19.43%. with all the bells and whistles and the huge screen, you can barely see it. I know games are regulated but I don’t think sidebets are put under as much scrutiny as new games are.
Well the casino’s have for ages an advantage on players. Why not turn it around (when you can).
Well yeah… they’re a business, not a charity.
They used SIXTEEN accounts to abuse a glitch and you don’t see that as stealing? There is a world of difference between an advantage player and a thief.
an edge is not knowingly exploiting a software glitch for profit across multiple accounts on sites where your allowed one
I agree with @Run187 here. I think if it was just the one account, something that happened one time as a nice surprise, I’d be saying fair play, enjoy the money. But to create 16 accounts to take advantage of this issue, which could have cost the business a significant amount of money, is incredibly exploitative behaviour.
For the record, advantage plays such as card counting, I’m in full support of. It’s something I used to do myself, but as was said above, there is a distinction between these two acts.
I do understand his and your point of view, morally is isn’t that ethical I agree but there are some games and sidebets that casinos use that have up to a 19.43% house edge. As you know this number is incredibly high and imo is as morally unethical as making sixteen accounts to exploit a glitch to gain a advantage.
When I worked at Grosvenor casinos one of the touchbets had a glitch in the system, basically what happened was £20 notes were being processed as £50. My question to you is would you only put that one £20 in or would you take advantage and put more in? Another one (true story) a auto roulette wheel had been incorrectly made and it had 2 halfs of the same wheel. In one night 2 players made around 17k between them before the mistake was realised. The casino had no legal right to get that money back. (Casino did ask and were refused and subsequently barred) would you exploit this and make a decent wedge? And if you did would you give the money back if caught despite no legal obligation to do so?
Imho it comes down to morals and ethics. If I found a wallet or purse with money in it, I would and have found the person to give it all back. I know many people wouldn’t which I would consider thievery, but faced with these questions that I have asked I would 100% take the chance and I would not consider myself or anyone else a thief who did so.
so you are on here glorifying the fact that you stole 10k from a gambling company…….
way to go dude, let’s hope they dont see this post.
It’s not stealing or even cheating. It’s gaining an edge. Is card counting on blackjack stealing? Is edge sorting on Punto banco stealing? If the casino allows a player to play a game and that player manages to gain a edge then it’s the casinos duty to nullify that edge.
War room. It’s actually a brilliant idea. If you could ban people from the normal threads but still allow them to post in a war room thread it would be epic. So many people would come back to whine and moan and we could get the epic JB threads back. Pretty please @bandit @seedy.
11Had two yesterday in 100 spins. 130x and 150x. Just one of them things.
1Can’t stand chip and haven’t really given hideous a fair watch yet. However I’ve recently started watching nozzer slots, christ if you can understand a word he says it’s fucking hilarious.
1Excellent news man!
I feel rewarded for opening and enjoying this thread, thanks for the boost.
I worked shifts pre-lockdown and now i can say, after 6-7 weeks now, have happily not FOBT’d. I would sometimes play them before shift AND after shift that day if i was on a ‘mid’ 10-8pm. Flushing a days tips away on top, to boot.
Don’t miss them dirty b@stard things one bit, i got so fed up of them (still playing Dragon Bet Roulette) I’d find myself slamming things on my walk home or spitting on the machine slyly as i left, beaten, again.
I got blurred by the days I’d win £300 with a few quid on number 33 or whatever had the dragon multiplier on. The pain has gone now but I’ll never go on one again i know that much.
I enjoy low rolling online now, ridiculous how far 20p spins can get you compared to a Wetherspoons feature on Wish Upon a JP…. ha. Saddo!
Happy Tuesday to all! Building some lego today with the Mrs… we are both over 30 ; )
Is dragon bet roulette the same as lightning roulette but you get 28-1 rather than 30-1?
29th April 2020 at 12:09 am in reply to: How i can be a twitch streamer to finaly get out of bad luck?! ? #96410Christ how is this thread still a thing. Nearly as bad as the man who shan’t be named threads. Only nearly mind you.
Like argyl says max 2 hours. The sites I play are all in within 2 hours. Pokerstars I’ve found to be the quickest, if I withdraw to PayPal it’s in my PayPal account within 2 minutes.
I used to think baby Xbob’s attempts at talking were cute, now I’m praying I wake up deaf for a few weeks
Yep agreed. Mines turning 2 and has in 24 hours went from a mute to not shutting the fuck up. It’s cute…..for 10 minutes.
21st April 2020 at 8:38 am in reply to: Breakdown of the Hot Streak (28/03/2020 – 15/04/2020) #95274[quote]
Wagered – £1,867,233.76
Winnings – £2,150,892.97
Net = +£283,659.21[/quote]
So we’re talking about a 1.8 net in there or wagered 1.8 so far? Still does’nt clarify if you actually walked AWAY with profit in general after hitting withdrawl or not. I am getting more and more sceptic about casino’s dude. And i’m not the only one. You know when i signup to a casino thats suitable for my country, first thing i (always) do is make sure shit is verified, file in documents, blabla. The moment i have green light i play. I played on a few brands on which all three of them basicly made me win within the first initial deposit. There was one particular casino in where i pumped 2k in in where i peaked at 22k so far. But no matter what i did i was getting artificially being held at that number.
So you lose some, but you win back, and it looked like this was another AI that makes you wager and not exceed you a certain number. Makes sense right? Casino has build in features. So any future play in that particular casino was done. It kind of gave you the feeling you could win, but it did’nt really. Like the sneaky triggers, the near hits all that bullshit.
Another casino; ive won 65k previous year in like 3 days straight. I’d still recall that it was more of an exploit rather then being lucky. But i quit doing what i did because i was affraid the casino woud’nt pay me out for whatever reason. Well they did paid out, 2x 20k and 1x 25k. Since then any potential big huge win was impossible. It took perhaps months before i even came close to the usual 3k range. When i hit withdrawl, fun was over. When i continued playing with the risk of losing the 3k (and finally did) it was more easyer in any new session to like get back where i lost or started. This kept repeating and the amount somehow got bigger.
Another casino; signed up, from 100 straight to 10.000, withdrawl, any new session impossible. I kind of start to realise that the real luck is only for the new signups, the one’s already in there are being mazed to shit with unnatural stuff going on. This one casino that i won the 65k at, it’s always the same pattern, i deposit, i play, i somehow equal or as close as possible to my initial deposit, and have this pattern going down again. It’s a constant repeat, no matter my strategy, no matter my play.
Like i artificially have to wager shit out before stuff hits. And trust me, games that would for complete shit now suddenly start to pay. Not just one, two, three, no ALL games. It completely does’nt give me any excitement anymore for the shit thats bin going on in my mind. Like a while ago, before the corona lockdown appeared, i went to a normal casino, with just 200. Great, 2 handpays, 2700, so a 2500 profit. I went back home with a WELL-DONE mindset. This shit i never experience online anymore. I mean what good is a gamble if you by default already know 7 out of 10 deposits fail instant.
If i compare the BTG games in general on ONE casino vs the OTHER casino, i can defenily tell there’s some shit going on. The one particular casino has a much better flexibility in relation of bonus games, base game hits, the amount of bonus games that drop, where the other just has a difficulity factor of like 5x more. They all have the same RTP but in relation of volatility, triggers, hits and all that there’s a huge difference. I think casino’s are not honest, dont tell or show us the full story.
I’m kind of done with gambling lately. What good is playing online when the overal is just a big phat loss. Fuck streamers, with all due respect to the bandit. The same applies to me when i accept a bonus, where my gameplay SUDDENLY or simply said all the time when on bonus wagering, is full alive and kicking, and all crafted to make me wager out my 39x requirement, to fully fall flat after that. Gambling is’nt what it’s used to be anymore. Providers have rekt players. Casino’s are recking players. It’s just become a shitty and stupid business these days.
No actually. Makes no sense whatsoever.
Listen before this all goes fucking weird…
we all care, we all have stories that depending on what you read can be disapproved by one paper / website or another….some of us have frontline information some don’t….
what’s undoubtably true is … everybody need to be safe … for them selfs and others….
regarding op… it isn’t over the top reaction, the more serious we take it, the quicker it ends…..
Just be fucking safe
Agreed. The only thing I can add to this from information that isn’t known is my step father worth for American air filters, one of their factories is based in Wuhan. In November before this was even a known problem the factory was temporarily closed down and the staff in the UK were told due to illness many staff couldn’t work so they closed the factory to save some money in the short term. My stepfather’s friend who was over in the factory as a overseas worker told him that it was a unknown illness and that the morgues in wuhan were working 24/7. My stepfather told me this information in February but I had to deep diving through the information online from about January. So with his inside information my conclusion can only be, they have lied about when it started and they have lied about how many people have died from it. Of course this is isn’t much of a shock but for me it is proof that they have doctored so many things and unless we get the true stats from China AND every other country, we will never truly know the real stats and figures. In addition to this is, my girlfriend is a frontline ITU nurse in the north east. Every single patient on her ward is a elderly man, big belly and skinny arms, no underlying health issues. My opinion is if someone has a terminal illness say for example lung cancer and they contract covid 19 and then sadly die then it must be written as such, you can’t say this person was going to die anyways so we will put their terminal illness as cause of death. It’s the same as saying if someone with lung cancer got hit by a car that cause of death was lung cancer, it obviously wasn’t because nobody knows how long that person may have survived if they didn’t catch covid19/get hit by a car.
The usual response from an extremely low quality individual. I wonder if this person is genuinely as rude in real life or if they gain “bravery” when hiding behind a keyboard. Can you imagine how little self respect you’d have to have to respond in such a way.
Have a nice day licking handrails.
Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Don’t worry, I’d respond in exactly the same fashion. I don’t know why you would expect any other response to a ridiculous statement such as yours.
You can’t behave like a cunt and try to take the moral high ground at the same time. Unfortunately you lack the mental capacity to understand this.
Two sentences and he still has to drop in the “c bomb” in an attempt to add impact because nothing else he says actually ever does. How sad must he be to have to litter his limited vocabulary with insults and profanity to gain traction. You only have to imagine the scene. Rbreen gets into an argument and spouts his nonsense – everyones tires of him and ends up walking away- he ends up shouting the c word at the top of his voiceas they disappear so that he can delude himself that he won the argument whereas in reality all the folks that walked away are thinking “who was the clown, he’s got serious issues”
As I disappear into the distance SHOUT AS LOUD AS YOU LIKE it does not alter who and what you are and have become.
You do sound like a bit of a nonce tbh.
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