Forum

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Arlonewts wrote:

Clownprosecution wrote:

Not picking a fight here but I’ve found it curious how “the ban hammer” as it’s called comes down pretty hard for pretty innocuous statements but the usual lot on here (don’t need to name them) can curse at will and never seems to be any ramification. I don’t care as I generally don’t write on here just pointing something out

It’s a friends club. How dare someone have an opinion that doesn’t fit the narrative. There is about 6 of them that gang u0 on 1 rouge opinion and then seedy steps in and saves their there they’re day when they’ve run out of Spelling corrections and troll accusations

Please note in your last thread i agreed with you against the general group, and it takes a lot for me to call someone a dick (Which i havent with you as of yet).

So dont friends club me in! Im nice to WB as she is lovely to everyone and actions inspire fellow actions.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Its already in place for tennis, baseball, cricket, and huge amounts of other sports.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

I like DQ. just saying. Obviously we love WB more, but if you walk dogs and get paid for it… genius. Almost like palying slots and getting paid fo…… hang on!!!

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Winningbird wrote:

I take it the big affiliates are streamers like casino daddy, or are they the sites with a million links on?

bigger. ClassyBeef, Catena Media, Rosh, those sizes.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Van gogh isnt a bad game. Those freespins can go mad if you save them and get the features built up

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Eyeball Paul wrote:

Bet365’s success has turned Denise Coates into Britain’s highest-paid boss with a salary of £323million a year. Her firm declined to comment last night.

 

Nuff said

Damn right too. She built that from a shed in a car park. Just her. Doesnt leave it to others, take huge pride in it, helped out local charites and the football club. She does so much and looks after her self and family like gold. Great woman.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

According to the provider – no it cant. I believe the random feature is set to pay out a base win (the tractor) therefore unaffecting the RTP split of the base game and bonus round. As if the random feature can land the bonus it becomes less common, so they would have had more complex RTPs

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Winningbird wrote:

Annoys me that.. why not just google it ?

What time does Co-op close yorkshire lass?

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

ImperialDragon wrote:

I’m with Royal Panda and I had the same email.  Interestingly, the bottom of my email said:

“Royal Panda is licensed and regulated by the Malta Gaming Authority (MGA), and is incorporated under the corporate license of LeoVegas Gaming p.l.c.”

Does that mean they’re the same owners as LeoVegas?

What are the main decisions / implications of an online casino leaving the UK market?  My other online gambling site is Video Slots, and my quota is £50 per month on both Panda and VS.  So when Panda goes, I will probably increase my limit on VS to £100 to keep my gambling spends at the same amount.  I’m not interested in signing up to any more gambling sites.  Just keep it as the one now.

I can help with this!

1 – Its owned by Leo Vegas. They purchased them a couple of years ago for 60mil – https://www.globenewswire.com/news-release/2017/10/24/1152641/0/en/LeoVegas-enters-into-agreement-to-acquire-gaming-operator-Royal-Panda-obtain-debt-financing-of-EUR-100-million-and-adjusts-financial-targets.html

2 – Main issues are tax. The tax on player wins went up, and on payments. So the market got 3% more expensive. AS casinos operate on about 8% margin of player losses, knocking that down to 5% really fucks some maths up for them. This is why VS lowered their RTP. Also the UKGC is known for some big ass fines if you mess with GDPR

I suggest Casumo for the UK. Great site, loyal, bonuses quite often for regulars, and the reel races are fun.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

We have an office dog. Just getting this back on DQs topic. Its a tiny run of a creature. So we made them leave it at home and got our head of marketing to bring in a huge golden lab who comes around for hugs. Genius

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

Seyahkram1977 wrote:

eejit101 wrote:

By my actual calculations, that would take – 7 weeks of constant playing. On 2 sites.

 

Not too bad, off ya pop “Steven”

I want to ask about the calculation…. but I know my brain will bleed out my ears from the sheer maths of it …… so I’ll nod and say “ yep …. what he said “

I went with.

bonus odds – 1 in 240.

Time per bonus – approx 25 minutes.

Then estimated chance of hitting each level.

8 spins – 1 bonus.

10 spins – 1.2 bonuses.

12 spins – 2.1 bonuses.

and so on.

I think 50 spins was 1 in 10,000. So he needs a fuck load of bonuses

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

duc-blackjack wrote:

Slev82 wrote:

Think your head is in the Blue somewhere if u honestly Think he earns that much from other players losing.

You realize most casinos offer up to 40% commission on LIFETIME deposits, right?

If one person loses 10k in a month, which happens a lot when you have 5,000 affiliates, others will need 4k in profit to break-even, of course most players lose so he can easily make up to £50,000 or even more in a good month, alternatively it could be only £5,000 in a bad one.

So you think 40% rev share is actually 40%? Not quite. Well not even close.

Say his players lose 100k. Thats a fucking LOT for an affilaite. Let me break it down for you.

40% Rev share = 40k.

-25% Admin fees = 30k.

-10% payment fees = 26k.

-25% reasonable expectations of casino detagging = 16k.

– another 10% for jackpot wins, rollover, etc = 12k.

 

So the 100k loss for players may earn him 12k. Today he lost… Almost that much.

(the above is assuming there is no huge player wins, and all players hit the threshold for accountability)

But hey , dont trust me – someone who is head of a white label casino company, with 24 casinos offering rev share deals between 25% and 55% depending on the affiliate. P.S – the good affiliates take hybrid (50-100 CPA and 25% rev, now they make a fortune, but they provide over 100k in deposits a month).

PPS – Steve has a video on youtube of his actual affiliate logins and what he has made in a month. I believe this was in his 4 videos a week stage. I think it was 13k for the month. Correct me if im wrong.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

BTW who do you work for. You know (mostly) your stuff!

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

jamie_evans wrote:

4 – Streamers get Winmode from the casino to show them winning. UNTRUE. It’s physically not possible to give a player a game result thay wins. For the games to be provided No one can touch a gameround from it being hit spin by the player, the RNG doing it’s verified spin, the result being sent from the provider to the casino to the player. Not possible. Casinos cannot, and would not, do this. Casinos pay the provider a % for each amount lost on their games (averages around 12%) and the casinos keep 88% for them.

I’m fairly certain you’re right about streamers getting “winmode” being untrue, but that it’s not possible isn’t strictly correct.

The casino ultimately has full control of the slot.  Not because it can alter a result generated by the provider (though it can in some cases reject it and I’ll come to that later) but because it controls the interface through which you access the slot.  And this power enables casinos to do anything they want.  Because most slots are now HTML5 based, anyone (including the casino) can download the full front end of the slot, modify the link sources, and host it themselves.  But what about the RNG / result generator?  Well, if you reconfigure the front-end to look at a back-end other than that of the provider, such as an API of your own, you could send any result you wanted.  It’s not easy to reproduce and manipulate providers responses, but it is very easy to record the message payloads (results) of a very successful and legitimate session, stick them in a database, and send them sequentially on request.  This is similar to how providers reproduce videos of bonuses, like BTG did for the Tesla competition recently, except they already have the game data.  To keep this a secret I imagine it would be virtually impossible, unless almost every employee of the casino were totally corrupt and trusted not to spill the beans, and the casino were not thoroughly audited – but then I know what technical audits are like and the evidence you provide is never interrogated.  It’s not difficult to conceal from a technical perspective though.

So back to the rejection of results.  The communication path for a spin of a typical slot is player (request) > provider (request) > casino (response) > provider (response) > player.  The provider request is the important part here.  The result of a game is generated by the provider before any communication is done with the casino or the player.  In the provider request, they’re doing three things all at once, but not in the order one would expect:  (1) They’re notifying the casino of the result of the game in their request, (2) checking that the response is okay (3) reading the updated balance which the casino has calculated from the result of the game.  Step 3 is necessary because, although providers are able to keep track of your balance from the play of the slot, they don’t have visibility of all the games you’re playing and you could be playing two different slots at the same time, or have made a deposit while playing.  Some slots will show a deduction in your balance as soon as you press spin, and update with any win amount, but not update with the true balance the casino responded with until spin is pressed again.  This is why many slots need to be spun twice for a new deposit to appear.  So the order of steps 1 and 2 are the issue here, and their precipitated by this four-way RESTful design pattern.  The provider is notifying the casino of a game result before even checking that you have sufficient funds to cover the game round.  The casino is able to make a decision on whether or not to credit your account with a win.  If the casino were to respond to say you don’t have enough funds because they wanted to reject your win, then the provider would have a log of this and which would be potential evidence of foul play sitting outside of the casino, if investigated.  Plus, the player would be wondering what the hell was going on when they get a message in the slot saying insufficient funds.  But what if the casino didn’t respond at all?  What if they allowed the connection in, read the request, decided nah we’re not giving the player this win, and just held the connection open until it timed out?  Or it responded to the provider with a server error?  The provider can’t show you the win because it doesn’t even know if your balance was ever sufficient to play in the first place.

I realize this is very cynical, but wherever money goes, greed and corruption will follow.  And this simple little trick could be carried out with minimal people knowing.  Maybe just a single developer or single engineer.  And the big boss of course.

Sorry if the above seemed ignorant of your knowledge on the matter, I went in to detail more for the laymen of the forum.

Nice post, very in depth. More info is always good. Its strictly true, but not quite as simple as a technical workaround.

On the winmode – I work on casino back offices daily. If winmode was a thing, even if it was slightly a thing, people would be super rich, as the providers would realise in just a few minutes. They get say 15% of losses on their games. If one player ID keeps winning, and the bill from the casino to the operator drops down below 0 in a weird fashion, they check. Immediately. They dont mess around. I once had a smaller provider see a win and 11 minutes later inform me that checks were done and it was ok. 11 minutes!

Providers check casinos that have their games on. they get reports, then test games. The regularly test the API calls and god knows what else. They test all of it for us a lot of the time. Freerounds need the proper function, as does the wagering and bonus configuration.

Plus – huge point – anyone ever caught doing this on an actual licence is fucked. And i mean sued fucked. UKGC fine for this is – does maths – eleventy gajillion pounds.

Plus x 2 – There are signs as argyl said. The URL, the game version, the authenticity, and the redirects and even the thumbnails. You would tell. Copied games Ive never seen on a UK or MGA casino in the last 2 years, aside from the legal copies (i.e Magic Mirror 2 by Merkur and blueprint) as thats the same damn company anyway.

[eejit101 WANTED $312 Outlaw]

always always read the T+C. If you arent sure, ask. someone here will always help. Im happy to help more if its tricky, or if i know them.

[Author]

Posts