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Also your changing what ive said several times. I never said we dont have to listen to the UK. I said we arent int he market. I dont understand why you change what im saying and the context of it so much.
As for your arguament of “Check the RTP each time you play” thats insane. Noone does that. Just like you dont check the ingredients on your mars bar each time you buy it. but i guarantee if it changes the chocolate level down to 1% youll complain, even if it does say in tiny print on the back
It is my belief, and i say again, mine, that this is wrong. Fair enough, that doesn’t mean they are when all the evidence, including the fact you can’t prove it, isn’t available to prove it. If we are talking about a moral objective, that’s another issue. That could be easily sorted through them and you and maybe, just maybe, they would listen. When you go elsewhere to raise an issue that can lead to fines when they are already a struggling site( all be it the biggest slot provider in the uk site) then you risk them going elsewhere or being fined out of the uk market. WHITE LABEL CASINOS WOULD BE FINED OUT OF THE MARKET BY NOT LISTENING TO THE UK GAMBLING COMMISSION. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT YET?
So my goal here is not to get them banned from whatever jurisdiction. Shit they could kill someone and probably not get banned.
They were forced to do it. Or leave the UK. So whether they get banned or not, any fines if they were due them which they aren’t, would drive them out of the UK market. So it is the same result.If they can swap the games to 94% its possible to swap them back right?
No. You said last night or the day before you understood they had to do it because of TAX and costs of being in the UK. Your issue is with the UK Government, take it to them if you dare.Whats to stop them going to 88% games for 2 hours then swapping back. That would be illegal and there would not be any reason to do it.
You started to waffle near the end eejit and sound very paranoid for somebody that understands the reason they had to reduce the RTP only slightly. Keep an eye on their news page or check the RTP before you play. It’s not a lot to ask , considering that is meant to be your responsibility at all times regardless.
Years ago they didn’t have to show the RTP. Now they do, make use of that fact and stop pushing blame elsewhere. It is literally there any time you need it for a reason, yet that reason isn’t good enough for you.You said that the Casino you work for don’t have to listen to any rules the UK Gambling Commission make up. You are wrong if they want a UK licence. I don’t use Riskz. I am sure there are a couple of decent ones… they are just hard to find.
You missed 2 points hugely here.
It is very much possible to change a game from 94% to 88%. That was rhetorical. Im saying its 100% possible. Wasnt a debate.
And once more, this isnt at VS. This is at all casinos. Just takes one to screw everyone over like this and it all tumbles down a bit. Not saying VS would. But VS did change multiple jurisdictions here. Thats the issue. Not just UK. I cant say this enough
16th November 2019 at 11:08 pm in reply to: Removed my deposit limit from videoslots and they froze my account. #83422eejit. This happened to me aswell. Basically I had set a wager limit so set mine at £100 and then wagered £100 and my account was blocked and when I spoke to support they said I had to change it in my account and wait 30 days. I thought I was setting a deposit limit. Was a weird one. This happened around 1 year ago.
Yeah Ive seen it. I get why its the way it is, its as responsible as you can get. Just sucks if you fuck it up though!
Ok, now we can discuss properly. simplicity rules.
Argyl ill leave to you guys, i have no input but I didnt see it so I cant comment. However he doesnt ever lie on here, so far, so i dont see why he would have edited anything unless he made a mistake in typing? Ill leave this to him.
Now for VS – I reported it for 2 reasons.
1 – Lowering RTP on games without proper informing of players.
2 – Lowering RTP on games on several providers under multiple licences witout informing all licences correctly.
It is my belief, and i say again, mine, that this is wrong. Morally for sure. Legally I have no idea. I cant see any regulation about it that fully covers it. So my goal here is not to get them banned from whatever jurisdiction. Shit they could kill someone and probably not get banned. Look at the fines for Leovegas and Casumo recently, they wont ever get banned, just huge huge fines. My goal was – to get the regulation changed to promote full disclosure from casinos of things like this. As lets flip side it for a second. If they can swap the games to 94% its possible to swap them back right? Its a simple change of integrations of the games. As they have them integrated, they just activate certain end points and job is done. Whats to stop them going to 88% games for 2 hours then swapping back? Nothing. Would you say that was wrong? I know for a fact a company released an 86% RTP slot. What if a major provider builds this version, has it signed off by GLI, then releases it to VS. They swap it over for 30mins at 7pm GMT. The money there make there doing that daily is rather large. What if then all caisnos do this? I want the regulation to show that changes to RTP on games already played on a site must be given to players in the form of a window popup when the game opens, in that the game is different. Thats all I want.
As for your white label thing.. i dont follow. You know Rizk is a white label casino right? Just as im confused if you realise what it means. (I didnt when i started working here, took me a few weeks to learn the huge aspects behind gaming that you dont see when playing)
16th November 2019 at 10:43 pm in reply to: Removed my deposit limit from videoslots and they froze my account. #83414I stil dont get this. Take a SS of your limits. You quite possibly just put on the wrong limit which limits your total wagers not your deposit or stake size surely?
Changing this requires a self exclusion timeframe mandated by the regulatory zone you are in.
Whats the issue? Also please make it clearer as im really trying to help and understand this and I cant
Ok, lets try this a new way, just for me.
We all have issues with RTP being lowered on Videoslots. I mean, noone prefer to play on lower RTP. This is a fact.
So lets leave this to one side.
So – just, please in simple form, answer me two questions that ill ask and debate openly with no retribution or hatred.
1 – Why is reported them for this wrong? Why is it, simply remember, that stopping sites doing questionable things is not a good thing?
2 – Why the arguament with Argyl on this. He cant edit posts. Seedy could see this and check it. What is the underlying issue here?
You should always link your quotes 😉
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16th November 2019 at 9:46 pm in reply to: Removed my deposit limit from videoslots and they froze my account. #83408Where the hell do you all find this info about each other from?
Tickled me this did, I was thinking the same
You’d have to be seriously unemployed to bother I reckon.
Im seriously employed and still reply on here half the time
Do you spend much time trying to find videos other members? ???
i might start!
Casumo are legally demanded to do this btw. This is a requirement, not a choice, as per UKGC and Financial services regulations.
Its not just “placing a bet”, its the fact your using funds to place the bet, and those will be checked.
Where the hell do you all find this info about each other from?
Tickled me this did, I was thinking the same
You’d have to be seriously unemployed to bother I reckon.
Im seriously employed and still reply on here half the time 😀
Im honestly impressed with many people on here. Some hugely well thought out posts.
One thing I want to say – for the record – as TTR brought it up – I dont want VS out of the UK market. I reported them to the MGA. As I believe that what they did is morally wrong, going to borderline illegal. I use borderline there on purpose, as Im not sure at this point. I do not live in the UK, though I am British. I will return one day, depends on brexit first of all. I live and work in Malta. My player accounts are either cross UKGC/MGA or sole MGA accounts.
Even more fun – the casino group I work for, we do not hold a UK licence. We have no stake in this game. We hold MGA, Curacao, and soon Spain/Denmark and Germany/Holland if we decide to go for it. I know about the UK licence as, to be honest, im good at my job. Its a market that affects all other markets, and knowledge is key in what I do, especially when it comes to heading a business unit primarily in casino creation and management. Clients want to take UK players at times, i strongly advise not to. (No offence, but mathematically its close to break-even almost depending on your bonus terms, and strict AML/Bonus abuse policies).
As for helping players – Ill do that all day every day. I was first a player. I still am. I expect the same treatment as everyone. I dont get bonuses given to me. I would play and want the RTP to stay the same ont he sites I play it. Thats a fair assessment and conclusion for me to make.
The part I most care about – if VS do this, and others follow, it taints the whole market. People go to seedier casinos with no licence, or illegal gambling, god knows what. You can advertise 101% RTP and not pay players easily. Im doing this not just for players but also the marketplace that I work in. If someone is selling knock-off Prada on a market stall, outside of Prada building, they are gonna say something,
The argument on RTP is insane to continue. Anyone who chooses 94% over 96% is just… well insane, unless they get cashback to a level that benefits them.
To be fair to TTR his points on Pokerstars are valid. I read a thesis by my current girlfriend, who is a former maths teacher, sponsored poker pro for grosvenor, and bit of a maths wizard, on RNGs and Pokerstars mixed with game theory. This is outdated, and i am incorrect. Pokerstars does now use Quantum tech, with the level of RNG being significantly better than in the past. So im wrong there. Should have checked. Spent an hour reading about maths today though so I feel i took some punishment.
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