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Xbobmad wrote:

I’ll happily prove my ID, that I’ve used my card and my bank account. Any more than that and they can get lost.

Bank account redacted to only show my name, address and account number and possibly a transaction to the casino.

I don’t necessarily think the casinos really want to do all these checks that are forced upon them by the UK regulators but it gives them a good excuse to slow things down and possibly snare a few reasons to not pay.

As far as I can remember, when joining Sky Vegas they run a half credit check to verify identity. Same with Paddy power and Betfair.

WHAT? This wasn’t your tune yesterday. Yesterday it was fine for playojo to get my ID, bank card, bank account, utility bills, the whole 9 yards, get verified, and still refuse my withdrawal. But with you it’s different? Yea right, xbob

FYI for xBOB and all the other shills – the casinos are NOT forced to collect this info on behalf of UKGC or the UK government. They are only required to do these checks when people trigger thresholds on their accounts – e.g. for AML in the United Kingdom you must DEPOSIT £8800 before the casino can legally request AML on you. That is the law of the UK, look it up

How many people here have had an illegal AML request from a casino but listened to shills like Bob, and shrugged it off as being acceptable? I bet most people here have been forced into illegally sharing their sensitive data against GDPR by casinos. They are not allowed to ask for these details before the legal thresholds have been met. You all complied anyway. The casinos need a class-action lawsuit against them by players like us (excluding Shill Bob who thinks this is all cool and normal)

It is not acceptable. The casinos aren’t the law. It’s really irritating to be on the wrong end of a casino manager on a power trip but it’s even more infuriating to hear your fellow players, like Bob, give you shit for the tyranny of the casino. They stole £1000 from me Bob, I did nothing wrong, broke no laws. I was victimised. First of all I was not legally required to provide KYC etc for £1000 in withdrawals. This is not the law of the UK and if the casino didn’t have your money, you would never provide them with these details. The casino uses these things as a scam to refuse paying out honest regular joe players. It’s shocking how many complaints for not paying out that playojo has on trustpilot, to UK PLAYERS. They have the nerve to tell me they don’t even accept UK players, a blatant lie.

There is such a thing as Point-Of-Sale (POS) legislation in the UK. You know what it is and how strict it is. If you find a product on the supermarket shelf that is the wrong price on the POS, you are legally entitled to get the item for that price. If the item is out-of-date, the supermarket is breaking the law. There are countless fines and convictions against supermarkets for POS violations. The casinos? Oh the POS doesn’t count for them because their terms and conditions are more important than the laws of the UK. They can sell you anything, like gambling services, but can refuse the payout. THAT IS ILLEGAL but the trick is the only way to force the online casino to pay is to get someone bigger and badder to make them jump – solicitors, UKGC, celebrities, affiliates, etc

Imagine this situation. You walk into a bricks and mortar casino (I know fantasy during covid). You are banned from the casino group but you play anyway. You are on the tables and slots and win £10,000. Then the casino managers comes up to you, taps on the shoulder, says, “excuse me sir, you are not allowed to be here, please can you make your way to the nearest exit”. Security are on your shoulder and you comply.

Note anything missing in that scenario? The fact the casino manager or security didn’t try to take the money you won while gambling? Why did they not take your money?

1) they are not legally entitled to make seizures from you

2) if they did their staff would have to take special forces training and live in gated communities like a special criminal judge. Nobody in their right mind would try to take the winnings out of your pockets while you left the casino

It’s only because the ONLINE casino holds your money that you will bend over. They make illegal requests then they fuck you up the ass. This illegal behaviour needs to stop in the UK. It’s grossly unfair and causes carnage with players. A bunch of people have killed themselves over not being paid out by a casino. This is no joke. They are criminals and they are causing serious damage to vulnerable people

Again Bob is going to shill for the casino, tell us they can break the law, and tough shit if we get scammed and don’t like it. Give them all your money, the casino gods!!

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Tried to help. Fuck off you self-righteous twat. You were trying to cause a scene, cause noise, and make yourself the centre of attention. Don’t believe a word of what I’m saying? I copy in responses from 2 ojo managers saying the OPPOSITE thing (one says they do accept UK players, the other insists they do not accept UK player), and you don’t believe me? LOL, fuck off shill. Somebody ban this shill, please, this is not a real person. Playojo staff

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Fuck off @xbobmad you don’t care about me or anybody other than yourself. Go start a blog and spew your bile where I don’t have to see it

FYI I followed the procedure and opened a complaint with eCOGRA a few days ago. I have to wait 2 weeks for eCOGRA before I can go to the UKGC or Maltese Gambling Authority in an official capacity

You think I would be going so nuts if I hadn’t been totally fucked over? Go and read the reviews for playojo.com and playojo.co.uk on trustpilot

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/playojo.com

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/ojo.co.uk

Page after page of UK players complaining the casino won’t pay them out for trivial reasons. They are an organised crime group who make more money from fraud than running their casino

Another question arises from this – do casinos not fuck with the RTP of games when denying withdrawals? The slots don’t know if withdrawals are successful, they just know they paid out. So for every single instance of a blocked withdrawal, that has reduced the RTP of the slots. Thus the RTP figures of slots are erroneously high, as RETURN to PLAYER only counts when the player gets their money. Given how often this happens are the RTP of slots reduced by like 5% for everybody, due to the fraud of casinos like Ojo? Probably

 

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Can we ban this prick @xbobmad? He’s clearly trolling people on purpose and I do not require his salty stains and horrible attitude in my thread trying to get help, when I’m already pissed of. Be gone, scumbagbob, you sad little shill

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Also even if it was true that a VPN was used to create my account in 2017, how does playojo be so sure that was me? The account wasn’t verified. If you’ve ever dealt with Ojo, you will understand you don’t exist until you verify and they will not pay out or deal with you in any official capacity until you are verified. But suddenly an IP log is enough to prove my identity to 100% satisfaction? Sure, seems legit

Well in 2017 I wasn’t verified (or using a VPN). And note again using VPNs is not against the terms and conditions. SUPPORT BLATANTLY LIE TO ME and tell me different stories. Fraud, scam, liar, cheat, thieving cunt casino

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Please note the terms and conditions of PlayOjo – there is nothing in them against using a VPN, and believe me, I read them carefully. There is nothing in their terms saying I can’t use a VPN, yet their staff refused a payout for using a VPN. That’s fucked up on so many levels

Listen to this email and compare it with the response of ojo staff on trustpilot – both of them are replying to me:

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EMAIL:

Thank you for getting in touch with your OJO crew about your account and complaint.
My name is Helene and I’m the Customer Care Manager at PlayOJO. I am truly sorry to hear what happened and I understand your frustration!
However, keep in mind that our Terms and Conditions state that players from the United Kingdom are not permitted to play on our site.
Mark, your account was checked and we can see that you registered the account with IP from Netherlands.
As a result, we refunded your deposit and removed winnings.
I do apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you, Mark, but we have acted in accordance with our terms and thus this is our final response on the matter.
If you are not satisfied with our reply please feel free to follow our Customer Complaints Procedure that can be found on our Terms and Condition page (clause 21)

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Trustpilot:

Reply from PlayOJO
7 hours ago
Hello there,
OJO is sorry to hear that you’re feeling this way about our casino.
We completely understand that this is a frustrating feeling but we pride ourselves on following absolutely all the necessary rules and regulations that govern us as UK licensed casino.
By no means would we ever prevent a player from the UK withdrawing but as we have certain licenses that we abide by, a player from the UK would need to be registered to the correct license as well as complete our verification process. I truly am sorry if you have been left feeling otherwise but we can assure you that every action taken by OJO is in line with our regulatory bodies.
Should a player abide by our Terms and Conditions as well as complete our verification process which we are completely transparent about, they will of course be able to withdraw whenever they please.
OJO will however respect how you are feeling but we do feel it’s important to once again highlight that we are actually a fully UK licensed casino following the rules and regulations set by the UK Gambling Commission and we can confidently say that without doubt, OJO is not breaking any laws.
We do however wish you the best.

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So in their own words they clearly accept UK players and from their own terms and conditions they clearly permit the use of VPNs

They are just trying to fuck with me. Like I said, first barrier was KYC. I passed. Then they started looking for reasons to deny my withdrawal. They stole from me and defrauded me, simple as that

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Yea @Xbobmad is a real prick, slabbers everywhere, huge shill for casinos. His comprehension skills aren’t the best though

I wasn’t using a VPN to play. I don’t use VPNs to play casinos. I am in the UK. Further, if you read, you will see my bank doesn’t allow transactions over VPNs – this is standard for most banks – so what do you say now, Bob?

I can prove I wasn’t using a VPN using my banking transactions and my ISP logs. PlayOjo are lying, but as Bob is a huge casino shill, he sides with the casino, wtf Bob? What are you even doing here?

PS: BOB – all your streamer friends using fake casino money like Chip, can git ta fuck, just like you ya sad little snotball. Vote the casino steals my money. Yea good one. Wait until they steal YOUR money and see how much sympathy you get, you shill fuck

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If I was ASA and UKGC I would nail guys like Chip for fraud

They produce content with the explicit purpose of getting viewers to copy what they do, for real money, but the experience promoted by Chip and others is simply not attainable by the ordinary person. There are “casino streamer rules”, meaning they cheat the system but you are not allowed to, and that’s forgetting the issue of the fidelity of deposits. When clearly it is fake money on abusive terms, anyone who signed up expecting a similar experience has a genuine fraud claim. I would not only ban Chip and a bunch of other streamers but every penny of their affiliation money would be recovered and given back to the players who signed up. The casinos promoting such streamers would be closed permanently or else given huge fines with a severe warning that their license will be forfeit if they attempt to deceive anyone else

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Xbobmad wrote:

Smokingbeagle wrote:

One thing that really bugs me about fake streamers is they are actually taking twitch donations too from subscribers .

 

Donations really piss me off, if it’s donate for a good cause then so be it but when the money goes in their own pocket it’s really annoying.

There was one streamer who was using the “NHS” name to take donations but was only giving them half and skimming the rest for his new chair which was REALLY low. I called him out and he got all his mates to pile on via twitter ??☹️?

Glad it was you and not me as that stirs up militant feelings. I hope you reported them to the NHS or relevant body as they would rip whoever did that to shreds. It’s a huge no-no to rip the NHS especially now, unless you are in government of course. Then it’s cool to give out contracts for £6,250 a day for track-and-trace, and have them sit and do nothing, literally nothing, for months on that wage.

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The Bandit wrote:

I’m usually floating around in the background somewhere tbh mate.

Some of us here actually care about you. I hope everything is going well with the wife and kids and the football millions

Confession – I had another account on this forum (BonanzaDHV was the username or similar). I didn’t get banned but I asked for my account to be closed because I didn’t like some of the things done by mods

ANYWAY – I did warn you about the statistical path your Reel King play was likely to take. You were so far ahead that if you followed a normal distribution by continuing to play and populate the spins, it would result in a most severe downswing. I didn’t wanna be right about that I would prefer you to be happy-go-lucky and pumping out videos 3-5 times a week, or once a week high stakes madness. But it was always going to happen. I told you to take that money off the table and do a success story, which tbf you did with the car and house etc. That was really wonderful like you are the 1 in 100,000 who actually made it

I pray you don’t break it my friend. Look after yourself and what’s most important – the wife and kids – fuck this gambling if it’s not working for you mate and if you can keep up the lifestyle without it

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Extrafun wrote:

I enjoy David Labowsky been a subscriber to him for a while, genuine nice lad. his bonus hunts are raw so if you care about the whole usibng bonus funds wtc wtc then its not a bad shout.

Mr. Labowsky is certainly a fake money streamer and is a con-artist. His “real work” used to be as a mental health worker, social worker or addiction counselor, something of that nature – then he changed career to gambling streaming trying to get folks to sign up through his links

I understand it’s easy to be fooled by these people as I was fooled myself and used to enjoy watching them. I turned militant against Labowsky when I saw several times people asking him in stream if what he was doing went against his former employment, if he was addicted, and basically if the whole thing (gambling/slots) was healthy or not. Mr. Labowsky, despite being very aware of the potential problems and playing almost every single day, claims he is NOT ADDICTED to slots or gambling and that he never has been, it’s a healthy form of entertainment and there’s no problem with it AT ALL – provided you sign up through his links and not letsgiveitaspin

The truth is that 90% + of the folks you see on YouTube are nothing more than paid shills with bad acting skills. That dude jamjar boy and chipmonkz, so funny, go back a little while they are playing on min stake or 60p and getting angry/happy … fast forward to 2020 they are playing on £20 or £40 a spin and struggling to find a reaction to a £20,000 win, cause they know they aren’t going to see a penny of it. Just bad actors and most of them are despicable human beings who will delight in your destruction if it brings them success (YOUR MONEY)

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shiNer45 wrote:

MaskWearer wrote:

I feel I will disagree with every post from seyahkram1977 and xbobmad. Just shills spreading nonsense

If you think using a VPN is a justification to refuse a withdrawal, you are mistaken. Casinos are NOT THE LAW. Just because it MIGHT say so in their T&C does not make it law in the United Kingdom

Every antivirus and internet security suite has a built-in VPN and if you listen to these clowns, you are not allowed to protect yourself if you use a casino. False. Fake news. I have asked the experts at several gambling sites and guess what? YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH A VPN IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE

What you are not allowed to do is use a VPN to circumvent the LAWS OF YOUR COUNTRY, not the laws of the casino

Laws of casino? ENTIRELY WORTHLESS with zero authority

Laws of country? The authorities, literally

maskwearer, your posts have an eerily similar ring to them like the turd on youtube what was his name? – christopher? who would post fake money bud, fake streamer etc etc after every single comment,

 

cant we all just be friends? ?

Ahahaha I’ve heard of Christopher B in youtube comments. I’m assuredly not that person although I do agree Chip is a fake money player

But seriously the T&C of casinos are not the law. Anyone who says they are the law obviously works for a casino, or is a shill. I mean you can dispute that and claim you’re just an idiot, but either way, the shill/player ratio in here is awfully high

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Seedy wrote:

This has been talked about before and was out rightly refuted by chip so anything being said is conjecture. So I would like it if this could be kept civil no calling anyone a shill or any shit just because the opinion is different.

If not I will just lock the thread and ban people being idiots.

Lets keep this friendly.

Thanks.

I highly doubt you’re gonna ban yourself but feel free to prove me wrong

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I feel I will disagree with every post from seyahkram1977 and xbobmad. Just shills spreading nonsense

If you think using a VPN is a justification to refuse a withdrawal, you are mistaken. Casinos are NOT THE LAW. Just because it MIGHT say so in their T&C does not make it law in the United Kingdom

Every antivirus and internet security suite has a built-in VPN and if you listen to these clowns, you are not allowed to protect yourself if you use a casino. False. Fake news. I have asked the experts at several gambling sites and guess what? YOU ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH A VPN IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE

What you are not allowed to do is use a VPN to circumvent the LAWS OF YOUR COUNTRY, not the laws of the casino

Laws of casino? ENTIRELY WORTHLESS with zero authority

Laws of country? The authorities, literally

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Xbobmad wrote:

Maybe his bankroll is much bigger than yours? Maybe he’s playing with gambling profit? Maybe he won the lottery? It’s disappointing that people immediately go to asking if a streamer is funded by a casino ?

Do you sleep at night after being this much of a shill?

PROOF has been posted of Chip. The reason Chip isn’t phased by dropping £5 or 10 or £50k is because he didn’t lose it. The casino is paying him per video and he deposits that exact amount often with a bonus. Chip isn’t even gambling which explains why he ain’t bothered. It’s Kylie Jenner with zero social worth but buy this make-up that will save you 30 seconds from your filtering and photoshop

You can look at the economics and understand how it’s fake. Dudes like Chip are averaging > £1K per day. I’m assuming even the shills here can do the math of how much per year. One must consider at those levels the 40% tax and NI, so to lose £1K per day you need a genuine £1,000,000 per year salary, minus tax. Not even in this crazy world will someone pay chip £1 million, so no, clearly he is not playing with his own money. Goes from crying over 60p to playing £40 spins without giving a fuck and people even question if this is real? LOL

The world would be a better place without Chip on YouTube/Twitch trying to deceive people into clicking his links to earn Pokemon cards. Someone needs to hogtie that little bitch and shove those Pokemon cards down his throat

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