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Eejit : If calling you a muppet us a crime or against the “rules” to you then you have deeper issues.

I could respond to this, but

Eejit : But still… sorry if I hurt your feelings.

Is not exactly drowning in sincerity.

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Rbreen91 wrote:

I made about 8 valid points and was debating the aspects of it. If you want to have a DEBATE, then you get both sides. Not just your opinion confirmed by people who see things your way.

 

Be easier to have a debate with a brick wall. This guy only wants to “debate” in a fucking echo chamber.

Let me explain this to you calmly rbreen.

This debate is about the bigger picture, not me. I have no ego involved here. I’m happy to see and discuss both sides and have been of that stance for a very long time. I have no time for people who do not want the debate. You’d think I would be puzzled that people are actively saying they don’t want this debate here.  Eejit said “The point is why should there be a debate?” because Eejit doesn’t want this debate and when that was clear, I stopped wasting my energy on anything he or she has to say.

Take a chill pill (metaphorically) because I won’t be deliberately lowering myself to abusive levels nor will I be making personal attacks on anyone.

I will however sit and watch while the same people who keep breaking rules are given free reign while others are chastised. I’ve done this so many times over the years, it’s like water off a ducks back for me. I have no idea why you are so angry but I hope you can calm yourself down.

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eejit101 wrote:

Yup, all me.

You didnt at all start a debate, then callously claim my input isnt valid by claiming im trying to ruin a debate, when someone has an opinion that differs from yours.

You want sympathy, then animosity, then anonymity, then disruption, then vengeance, then understanding. You confuse the shit out of me daily.

As for quitting, enjoy. I am educated thanks. I read the rules and abided by them. I added to a debate with personal and logical information. If that doesnt suit you then ok. Ill just be here, laughing internally at how people defend their views so wildly without acceptance of others. Shit i agreed with JB the other day. If i can, you can.

You also said “I gamble as well you muppet.”

Seedy said : There are a few industry insiders on the forum giving you upfront information no insulting them. @eejit101 is one of them. Things I don’t wanna see are people calling each other a cunt or any other form of abuse please  .

I have nothing else to add.

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Eightblack wrote:

You’ll find corruption and evil in anything that involves money particularly a lot of money and particularly something that has an addictive element

As far as ive gathered Mr B your an anti capitalist so therefore you don’t see profits at the hight of importance, but big businesses do and provided they’re acting within the law of the land they don’t really care if some people take their product too far be it beer, cigarettes, porn or gambling they care about the money

 

It’s an inconvenient truth but it’s the world we live in I’m afraid

It’s not that I don’t see profits at the height of importance, it’s that I see a hell of a lot of collateral damage with convenient blind eyes turned to it. I have a huge problem with people holding up a “we care” sign and stabbing humanity in the back. Alas eejit has successfully and single handedly ruined this debate.

I won’t be posting anything else until he or she is educated by the rules.

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Feel free to break the rules and derail this debate Eejit.

Your opening words of your previous post said “The point is why should there be a debate?”.

Insulting me is crossing the line. I have no interest in anything you have to say now.

And look, I managed to say that without personally insulting you.

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Argyl, I’m talking about an industry wide ban with HELP that is only available once.

Eejit, I have only read the first thing you wrote and gave up reading the rest. Feel free to email bandit to have the debate removed and banned. Pretty sure I covered ‘trying to ruin a debate’ in my opening post.

but again I will note that you claim you work for the gambling industry, so it comes as no surprise that you don’t want this debate to exist. Thus a tiny little bit of proof that the industry DOES NOT care.

 

****** you didnt read his post but you tried to claim he is out to ruin a debate it was his opinion sort your head out *****

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Dune, what would help this debate is if you put the rope down, you paid for so that someone could commit suicide and go back and read this debate with an open mind, and not miss certain parts out. For example, at no point did I mention that cliche in regards to your taxes. That in itself is a real can of worms that seldom bodes well for the person saying “not with my taxes”. This whole issue is a humane one but while you are happy to help someone commit suicide, you are devoid of humane feeling.

The true definition of stupidity is making the same mistakes over and over again, knowing that they are wrong, but continuing in the same vein

The argument of “stupidity” is callous when it comes to addiction. By that I mean it just makes for toxic side lining and is also fully irrelevant.

No addiction support team has “berate” as a tool. Kicking an addiction takes serious inner strength and many times, infallible guidance.

Honestly, what use are you to a problem gambler if you don’t give a shit about them ? No point you being in the debate.

Dune2000 wrote:

Oh now you have the job, you have to do some morally reprehensible things otherwise you lose said job and you and your family starve.
Personally if it was a choice between my family starving and some degenerate gambler hanging himself from a lamp post I would go with my family every time.   If it was actually the difference between my family eating and not eating I would even sell him the rope

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eejit101 wrote:

What more can the UKGC/MGA/SS Do?

You put layers in for deposits for credit checks, AML for withdrawals, KYC for both after certain amounts, RG teams who call you if your level increased by 40%, Source of wealth for over 5k, Payment teams who watch for fraud, DPA and GDPR for protection of data, Self exlcusion, limits for dpeosits, bets, loss, wins and time, and now restrictions on game speeds and bet sizing.

Give me a good idea and ill back it. But I cant think of much else thats needed. The MGA audit we had cost us a large sum as our loyalty checks didnt include total loss for the day. We implemented that pretty damn fast.

Ive been trying to think for ages, and aside from literally asking for bank statements for a year and allowing only that method for depositing…. what else is there? Interview? Affadavit?

Recently I proposed an idea where if someone gambles themselves into poverty/distress they should be helped AND completely banned from gambling either for life OR until they can prove they have both the ability and control of that ability. I’m not saying as that, it would work but at least it’s an idea to start.

I posted a portion of my private life recently which basically showed that if I were to ask you to borrow me £5 and you said yea, then I have a condition, that you don’t suffer from doing so. That’s because I care. It highlighted the real side of what caring is.

As opposed to the nothing that is provided when someone makes the mistake of ruining their life, destroying their family, losing their life to suicide or the risk there of.

I find the whole industry has this “we care” sign but see zero evidence of aftercare for the true reality.

Again, I’m not saying exactly what would work but at lease we can have this debate and look at the darker realer issues and what could be possible to change it. However, the idea I suggest above is two part and one should never happen without the other. If it’s a viable idea, then cool, if not, let’s debate further, let’s carry on advocating.

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MoonHook wrote:

The fact is problem gamblers / someone tilting use CS as the face of the gambling industry.  It makes them feel better about losing all their money. They are not paid to sit there for you to have a little cry / moan to, grow up.

Imagine you putting all your wages in a FOBT then turning around and talking to the staff behind the counter like shit? I would hope you’d have more respect as a person than that, but maybe not.

Take some responsibility for yourself.  The world owes you nothing.

 

Moonhook

It’s a great fact but it doesn’t cover all the bases. For example, some people don’t blame CS for their gambling losses. I’m sure a bit of beration might work on some problem gamblers but generally don’t think it’s a great way forward and shouldn’t be thought of as one. Cause when it fails, what next…. well after mental beration is physical…. and well.. you know.

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It’s a misnomer anyway. A lot of crime doesn’t get reported. Please don’t ask for the proof of this because it comes in the form of public opinion…. tonnes of it and a lot based on self experience or relative experience, friends/family.

I agree that a lot of gambling is funded by crime. I consider I come from an average background and if that’s the case then there is a hell of a lot of crime funded gambling.

Of course, the industry will deny everything. Others might not believe it either. I know different. But it isn’t the main point here.

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We all have our coping mechanisms…. clearly.

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“nature of the beast”

and I adore the way CS are painted in the perfect light. if only it were true.

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@eejit post one was a joke 🙂 I often do this to bandit.

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@awesomex There is NO, I REPEAT NO corruption, in football. (FB LINK)

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Eightblack wrote:

I’m all up for a conspiracy theory and what not but I really can’t agree that some minimum wage dude deserves abuse regardless of where he works.. The Indian dudes in my local shop actively enable my alcohol problem with special offers on my favourite beers, it isn’t there fault I struggle to control my drinking though..

But if you found out they were watering it down and passing it off as normal.

Some CS are happily corrupt, happily supporting corrupt. Not limiting this to gambling. The branson ranch is filled with corrupt sheep for CS. You might have been a good honest CS but you know for a fact some of them are corrupt.

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