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Haz40 wrote:

Mr b have you heard of a guy called Adam Bradford. Sorry can’t provide a link. Check him out on you tube. If you want more to be done post a comment on his channel. Don’t know how i came across his videos but he says he’s in contact with politicians about safer gambling. I’d think it would be beneficial and more constructive to post your thoughts there as well as on here.

Thanks Haz, I might consider it at some point. Currently I am spending enough energy watching the industry steadfast in denial right here.

Sadly, there’s this notion I hold dear that one life lost is not negligible so people who think it’s somehow worth ignorance of some sort, are badly mistaken.

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argyl53 wrote:

Mr B wrote:

argyl53 wrote:

I don’t know where Mr B gets his figures because he

never

cites a source

 

I believe….no I know I did cite a source and it was somewhat credible ie an established newspaper quoting source from politicians. Geezawin replied to it. However that may have been on a thread that was fully removed by Seedy.

And the suicides aren’t the only problem. Just walked in, haven’t read the rest.

The only credible source for UK gambling suicides is records of coroner inquiries where gambling was known to be a factor in the death. We can’t speculate how many other suicides it may have been a factor in; suicide is a complex psychological area and many people have killed themselves where’s there’s simply not enough information, even among those closest to them, to ever understand why they did it. According to those statistics we do have, we can only cite 21 cases in 15 years. When you compare that not just to the number of gamblers, but even known problem gamblers (approx. 300,000 I believe), it suggests there is not quite the epidemic of casinos killing people you tend to portray.

That “I” portray, like you are in a position to deem the source as I told you, to be made up, by me. When I presented the facts as I saw them, I didn’t portray anything, I shared the facts, as I saw them, sighting the source.

“casinos killing people”. wow. I suppose I must said painted that picture too, although if someone did, it would be taken as a meaningful piece of art.

You say 21 suicides in 15 years. The source I sighted said 44 suicides in 6 weeks early 2018.

I see your motive. Not shocked.

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thunderball6 wrote:

<p>There’s a few that come and go who are anti gambling . Have u not noticed that ?</p>

It’s true. Since I have been a member here there have been numerous. Some I suspect part of the report everything on youtube brigade.

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argyl53 wrote:

I don’t know where Mr B gets his figures because he

never

cites a source

 

I believe….no I know I did cite a source and it was somewhat credible ie an established newspaper quoting source from politicians. Geezawin replied to it. However that may have been on a thread that was fully removed by Seedy.

And the suicides aren’t the only problem. Just walked in, haven’t read the rest.

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argyl53 wrote:

No I sincerely want to know….I made 3 claims in my last few posts:

1. KYC is part of regulation created to prevent money laundering and crime and is not specific to the gambling industry, rather they are just one of the sectors covered by it.

2. KYC checks, while something casinos are required to undertake, is not the only information they use when determining whether or not a player’s account should be flagged as a potential problem gambler.

3. Gambling addiction often coincides with pre-existing mental health issues which may be a contributing factor in suicides among gambling addicts.

So…which of these claims is it Mr B thinks is wrong / incorrect? It must be at least one of them because I haven’t said anything else.

No no no… I am always wrong, about everything. Please do follow rbreen and don’t restudy how I said you both contradicted each other. This dancing around thing is unbecoming of any respect for the dead. That word “often”…..

This forum is partly incapable of accommodating this whole debate. I 100% blame Bandit….. at no point.

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Argyl, you’re taking the piss. I know what you said. I sat and watched you repeatedly avoid the issue.

Now you want to try and call the evidence into question. You’re cut off. Holistic… they’re dead. hundreds of them, per year. They/you/eejit doesn’t care.

Anything negative about the industry is said on this forum, you’re there. You’re cut off. Piss in the wind.

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I mean, are there people who work in the gambling industry that think gambling suicide is a shame ?

It doesn’t appear to matter to the industry. It does appear to matter to some people though, who are usually players and non-players.

I mean, I can see why the whole debate isn’t wanted on here…… because, you know, the sufferation is just collateral damage for profits without regard or remorse.

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argyl53 wrote:

<p>KYC is AML regulation, it’s nothing to do with problem gambling, it’s not even specific to gambling.</p>

Is that like saying the invention of the wheel has nothing to do with slot reels, they’re not even specific to slots ?

When you can see what happened there, you’ll realise as I conceded I was wrong to ONLY but KYC does exist as part of problem gamblers now, even if you are right that it wasn’t initially brought out as that. You said KYC has nothing to do with gambling.

Paper money wasn’t created initially to be fed copiously into a fobt, or set on fire, or minced up, added to resin and a lathed pen created out of it. Shit happens.

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If he is being sarcastic, it’s not clear but £4.5k from £1.80 spins I hope he is. I don’t know or can imply he is fake but I do know I have watched him play enough to lose interest and find no urge to watch him play any more.

That he has some form of ownership or shares where he plays (he said so) may have killed my urge.

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Haz40 wrote:

<p>Mr B wrote:</p>

<p>I’m going to spend a few days at my friends who just had the baby. Yes, I will most definitely get puked on, maybe even shat on. Eau de Babyshit is a thing apparently. Mom is settling back home nicely with nan supporting her as it’s her first but she goes home today so I am gonna go help out for a bit.</p><p>She had a girl so wish me luck 2v1 is never a good start.</p>

<p>Good luck. Sounds like your going to need it. ?</p>

Pretty sure I won’t survive lmao

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I’m going to spend a few days at my friends who just had the baby. Yes, I will most definitely get puked on, maybe even shat on. Eau de Babyshit is a thing apparently. Mom is settling back home nicely with nan supporting her as it’s her first but she goes home today so I am gonna go help out for a bit.

She had a girl so wish me luck 2v1 is never a good start.

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so are you now saying KYC has absolutely NOTHING to do with responsible gambling ?

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Well look at that, you and argyl just contradicted each other.

I concede to KYC being partly for monetary crime which you seem to have divided up in 8 (or so) other reasons for it to exist. Aside from wanting to make yourself the only valid voice here, you ask what I think IS the vital question however part of your current answer is, for me, disgusting. However, I’m not blaming YOU for all of the sufferation under the banner of profitable gambling.

>>>>> What more can a company do?!

“As for suicide, i was joking” – Yea, in my heartfelt opinion which I am allowed, there are no rooms for “professional jokes”, seeing as you are a professional, working for the industry.
“I have no sympathy if someone commits suicide over gambling.” – That much is abundantly clear.
“I feel happy for them.” – Just collateral damage for a wage packet huh, an entire life gone, no longer existing, no longer able to find any happiness with those left behind you feel you do care about, because they have to suffer the loss, unlike yourself.

FACT : Hundreds of lives lost to the addiction of gambling, last year, here, in the UK alone.

You seem to be quite an angry person trying to jump for joy while I sit here, knowing nothing.

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eejit101 wrote:

Mr B wrote:

@smokingbeagle

Look at the KYC etc. That ONLY exists because many people struggle with gambling, the same as people struggle with other types of addiction.

In the space of 6 weeks last year, 44 people committed suicide directly due to gambling, here in the UK.

1 – Thats not true. It exists for about 9 reasons. And none of them are what you said. Stop making things up.

2 – Good for them. Less money for the gambling companies you so hate.

1. KYC exists for the same reasons “when the fun stops, stop” signs exist. Because companies were pressured into trying to curb problem gambling. but you say that’s completely untrue. So let’s see those about 9 reasons…..

2. There’s nothing good about people committing suicide although given you work in the industry, that you think there is something good, isn’t even remotely eye opening.

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@smokingbeagle the thing is, your perception of it all, regardless of right or wrong, is your perception. It doesn’t mean someone else can’t or doesn’t have their own translation of events and how it impacts them. It also doesn’t make them right or wrong on the face of it.

We get a lot of “control yourself you fucking prick” but it’s not that easy for many people and the insults don’t help anything, even the debate suffers for it too because we waste time on getting rid of it to give the debate more strength.

Look at the KYC etc. That ONLY exists because many people struggle with gambling, the same as people struggle with other types of addiction.

In the space of 6 weeks last year, 44 people committed suicide directly due to gambling, here in the UK.

Yes, it’s frustrating but acting upon those frustrations hinders rather than helps. The whole debate needs to be as level headed as possible and that is highly important so that people can put their heart into it. People put their heart into it and are met with insults which is just a bad cocktail of people on both sides of the coin, who both (mostly) want to help.

One of the truest things I heard about justice came from the mother of a murdered son. “The only justice I seek is that this ever happens to any child and family again”.

The average person (sic) can be seen shouting crap like “bring back the death penalty” and cannot see the irony. I say this of course as someone who has done those debates too. People can speak from passion and get it right, sometimes they don’t. However when people speak from anger, they rarely have the starting knowledge to carry forward and when it’s presented, they struggle to pick it up, simply because they are angry. Angry/frustrated/pissed off/annoyed etc.

A fresh start with a cool temper is a great way to get into these debates. Because in the most part, we’re all trying to get the same thing.

No decent person wants someone to suffer. I think beyond all the frustration, most if not all of us want the same thing.

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