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Tricky0212 wrote:

I could be wrong but I’m sure I saw nick slots get the heart as his symbol on a regular bonus when he was building the hearts on stream

I need to look into this. There doesn’t appear to be a reel set defined for it, but it does appear graphically.

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eejit101 wrote:

Ok… im curious… where d you get this information and frequency rates, and where its verified?

 

Ty!

In the client server communications. BTG slots send the whole reel sets so it’s easy to pull them out and analyse them.

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The other bonus is a very different mechanic as it uses the cascade mechanic, which appears to use two different reel sets (one for the base hit and then one for the cascades). I haven’t quite worked out how it works yet as I need to trigger some bonuses and compare the result to the communications to understand exactly what is coming from where, so it’s more time consuming.

That said, I could probably get an idea of if the wilds are a symbol and if so the average chance of a wild dropping. If the wild isn’t a symbol (just  random) then I won’t be able to get that info as it would be held on the server side. Your other questions would require a much stronger ability with statistical mathematics than I possess I’m afraid (assuming the base information for producing the result is available, which, if it is, I could get 🙂  )

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Haha, watching his video was actually the reason I wanted to look into it 🙂

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awesomex wrote:

Trump claimed that Clinton wants open borders. Snopes ruled that as mostly false, despite Hillary Clinton saying, on video, from a paid speech, her biggest dream is open borders.

Wrong again. She was talking about markets, not people.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-hillary-clinton-wants-have-open-/

But you shock me. That you will ardently disagree with reputable fact checking websites when it proves you wrong. I never would have expected it….. Also it seems they get accused of every type of bias. Funny that – https://www.snopes.com/eye-of-the-beholder/

Sorry man, but you just have no credibility :-/

 

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awesomex wrote:

Rbreen91 wrote:

ive looked this up, and this simply isn’t true… you’re a fucking moron.

 

It’s very much true you fucking imbecile, I have tons of friends and family in Cali who told me how their kids were being taught this shit in school, so I dont give a fuck what kinda source you look at, cus what I’m saying is absolutely true!

 

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/california-pedophilia-school/

Fact checkers would disagree with you. TBH awsomex, I’m very much getting the sense that you are a pathological liar. Whatever topic, it always seems that you have some claim to lend credence to your views (Huge IQ, spurious screenshots with no context, family or friends who ‘know this for a fact’) that is very often outlandish or far too coincidentally good to actually be real. I’d wager it’s behaviour many people here have seen before on the internet, in terms of the types of things you’re saying and the ways you back it up (with no actual concrete proof to your claims at all) and is common with the younger age range.

So I don’t know why it is. I don’t know if it is some kind of desperate attention seeking or need for validation, but my advice would be to take a good long look at yourself in the mirror and see if this is really the type of person you want to be.

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Haz40 wrote:

Two things get me about this random thing on online slots.

1. How can a slot’s rtp be reduced if a slot is random.

2. Magic mirror now that’s a slot that makes me wonder why does the bonus not land more often. Every spin you see the mirrors go past. The reels don’t spin for long and yet how many times are the mirrors above and below the win line. Just bad luck? They are there literally every spin. If you watch say for example danger you can see the bonus symbol go past on that long spin. Especially when you get a tease but magic mirror it’s like there everywhere yet somehow you spin after spin to find none land on the screen.

Will add my 2c to this as well.

1. I have a video about this on my YouTube channel (‘The Reel Story’, playlist ‘How Slots Work’) called RTP Explained. I go through all this info and even do a practical example of building and modifying a slot. It should answer all your questions 🙂  )

2. There are a few ways that slot providers handle animations for reels.

a) They just put a blur over the top to make it look like it’s spinning, then remove the blur to reveal the result. This is an old technique and not really used anymore.

b) When the reels are spinning, they use a ‘fake’ set of symbols that they loop through, only dropping in the actual result when it stops. This is probably one of the most common implementations.

c) They cycle through the real reels as part of the animation, but before the results drop in they do a ‘cut’ and skip to the stop position where the result is. Also one of the most common implementations.

d) They model the reels as they would in a mechanical slot machine, displaying the real reel sets and getting them to stop at the correct spot by subtle speed adjustments (not particularly common as it’s actually quite complicated programatically).

So depending on the method, you may see all sorts of symbols spinning past that could never actually land, because it’s just a fake holding animation. Additionally, symbols that aren’t part of the win (just off the top or bottom), in implementations a) and b) would likely just be random and not indicative of the actual reel sets. This could mean that you would see mirrors or whatever just off screen, but you weren’t actually 1 stop off landing them.

Without looking at the game itself, the communications with the server and the code, it’s impossible to tell what implementation they’re using, but from your description it sound like it could well be ‘b)’.

Hope that helps.

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Oldmoon wrote:

This is a hyperthetical question aimed mostly at Argyl as he is one of the most knowledgeable ones on here regarding how slots work.ok so I’m a streamer who works for the casino on the payroll, I will call myself Nick as this name has a certain how shall we say.well actually I can’t really say but I’m starting to digress so back to the point in question.i play on a test account funded by the casino as its a test account can the slot provider issue a big win as its not a real account and if yes how .i only ask this as on one of dazzas videos he tests out a upcoming slot and he had all the tool bars at the top of the screen to enable him to get instant bonus big win etc.

Just wanted to add a little more detail to this one. There are normally 2 ways in which this happens.

1. When the game is being made by the slot provider (the game client this is), they normally build it without a game server. I.E, they ‘mock’ the game server on the front end to make it easier to get all the graphics working etc. This is normally the type where you will see a tool bar or developer bar that allows you to trigger any type of feature. There is no server or money or anything involved, it just allows the developer to trigger the graphics so they can make it work right.

2. Most game platforms will have a way to set a result in order to test a game once it is fully integrated to the game server. In the example of the platform I ran, this was locked down behind several layers of security

a) The instance of the game server had to (when it was started up) have a flag set to say that it allowed test mode. No production version would ever have this flag set and there was monitoring in place to ensure this. It was always off by default.

b) The game engine itself had to be configured to allow test results. As above, a flag set on server startup which is configured. Monitored, always off on production deployments and off by default.

c) A particular player account must be flagged as a test user. Database flag as part of the user details. Same deal with monitoring and defaults.

d) A back office user with appropriate permissions (which can only be created and set by an administrator) would be able to go into the testing tool and set a particular result (or mock errors etc). This is separate to the player account and Casino staff were never given these permissions on production environments.

If you had all of these things set, then you could set results, force errors etc etc in order to test aspects of the game. Any game played in this way was flagged as such and would come up in the reporting as having been run in test mode in order to produce the result. It also required the game to be refreshed (new session) in order for the test mode to take effect.

This level of security on these types of features is fairly common in the market.

Please note, that everything I have described in all of my posts is about well regulated, reputable Casino’s. Casino’s that offer outside of regulation (or in the most lax of regulations) working with unknown slot providers are anyone’s guess, but they are the exception in today’s market. (that said, I had a 2,500 EUR win from a Curacao Casino and the games I played seemed alright. They did try to withhold my winnings though so I would recommend it)

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Just Basics wrote:

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Just Basics wrote:

Argyl this isn’t a conspiracy theory for fucks sake. It’s an opinion. So get that shit outa here please. Stick to the topic.

Of course it’s a conspiracy theory. If you have the ‘opinion’ that the moon landing was fake, that’s a conspiracy theory. Your opinion is that its true.

You’re saying a big group of rich powerful companies are defrauding all their players by using underhanded tactics, against all the evidence and logic. That’s the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

Also, having an opinion doesn’t make you immune to being wrong. You can have all the opinions you like. You can have the opinion that 2+2 = 5. You’ll still be flat out wrong

Just fuck off now will ya.

If my opinion is a conspiracy then so is yours mate end of.

Let’s not get bogged down In same fucking argument every bloody week lol.

Mine literally isn’t, because my information is the standard and publicly held belief, both legally and provably by regulation. A conspiracy is always trying to say that the mainstream thing isn’t true. That is what you are doing. Believing the moon landing happened is not a conspiracy. It’s just common knowledge.

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awesomex wrote:

TheReelStory wrote:

Just Basics wrote:

TheReelStory wrote:

Just Basics wrote:

@argyl53 and @thereelstory

listen mateys I know you both are very passionate about this subject. And I know you both have a fuck load of knowledge on how slots are programmed.

But ffs cmon lads. Have a single ounce of what if’s or maybe’s for for fucks sake!

I myself have retracted a lot of my so called conspiracy’s. Due to having no solid proof or evidence.

My argument is that when there’s a fuck load of money involved. Usually there’s some kind of cover up or manipulation going on behind the scenes.

Neither of you are millionaires, or have any insight whatsoever into the workings on top of the casino pyramids. So just give a little. Instead of giving hard NO’s and Catagorical “Your Completely wrongs”.

Cos to be honest lads, you have no real evidence or proof on how slots give or take once they are out of your hands. It’s the fellas High as fuck above your pay grade that have the answers we want to know. And we are never EVER gonna find out how this shit works. Unless a million dollar company with zero tolerance and who can’t be bought look into the workings of online slots.

So shall we give this subject a break or what? ?

The people above our pay grade have no idea how it works haha. You think any exec in a company knows any detail? Only those who built startups.

Now don’t get me wrong, there is all sorts of hooky shit that goes on. I could tell you some stories (and I will if there is a private way to do so) however, it really has nothing to do with the slots or the Casino operations at a game level.

I.E, a game might get on to a certain Casino because someone took the casino manager out and took him to a strip club and got him a BJ. But the game itself? It’s perfectly legit.

The reality is, Casino’s don’t need to rig games etc. They make money (loads of it) legally. No reason to risk that. The technology is legit and does what it does The other stuff around it? Commercials, business deals, backhanders for preferential positioning on a casino page. THAT’s where the corruption is. You’re right, but you’re looking in the wrong place There is much more money to be made dodging tax and doing hooky (but legal) business deals than illegally rigging slots

So the What your saying here is…yeah the heads of these companies are corrupt as fuck, and don’t give a shit about breaking the law. But no way would they rig slots. Why would they? They don’t need to. It’s not in their interest to.

Fuck me……really?

You are so blind sided by your own faith.

 

 

When did I say they break the law? Of course they don’t. They use all of the legal loopholes that money allows. Doesn’t make it any less hooky or morally deficient. Corporations have, for all of time, done whatever they can within the law to maximise their profits.

Taking someone out for a good time for a preferential decision on your product isn’t illegal. It’s business. It’s not a brown bag full of cash. Buying someone a prostitute isn’t the same as a bribe. It’s still shady as hell though.

And i’m not blinded by faith. I’m knowledgeable because of experience. I’ve been there. I KNOW how it works. I know that it’s all legit and well regulated and that the people who work for Casino’s and slot providers, on the ground level, are all really good smart guys and girls.

If it was really rigged, why the heck would I gamble? I know it’s not in my favour mathematically, but I know it’s legit and fun so that’s why I do it.

Rigging slots would be such a hard and risky thing for a company to do. What i’m telling you is there are far easier and legal ways for them to be shady and make much more money. The one who is blinded by their faith is you. You are SO convinced that this must be true, that you reject all logic that points to the opposite, when in fact if you really looked at it, you’d know that all sorts of shady shit goes on in business (not just gambling. ALL business), just not the bit you’re fixated on ?

It’s incredible to me that you believe there’s no shady shit involved. When you start gambling at an online casino, you have no say in anything, you have to sign a 1-sided contract, written by the other side, and you get no say in any of the terms of the contract. You’ve also got no way to confirm if the information they’re providing you is real. Not to mention the fact that they can make up any excuse they feel like to void your winning bets. Believe me, it happened to me with Betsson, the biggest casino in Europe. They voided a bet due to a malfunction, despite the fact the MGA investigation revealed that there was no malfunction. In the end, Betsson didn’t have to do a thing, and kept their money.

Did you see the AJ v Ruiz fight? Did you see the punches that supposedly knocked AJ out? Ruiz barely touched him, and even so he only got in cus one of the worlds best boxers was bending towards him for ages to let him get the punches in. Holyfield was asked before the Mayweather v Pac fight, who he thought was gonna win. Holyfield’s reply was “Whoever they’ve decided is gonna win, will win”. Here again, there’s no need to rig gambling, but they do it. It’s happened all throughout history. Wherever there’s power and money involved, people will be corrupt.

When it comes to the ones who investigate slots and such, to see if there’s any shady shit going on; if they found that it’s all shady, do you think they would report it? After being flown in, picked up at the airport, driven to a 5 star all paid for hotel, and having a taxi bring them to the office every day? Fancy dinners every night? If they found it all to be fraudulent and they reported it, they would be out of work!

I think you’ll find I specifically said LOTS of shady shit goes on. What I said was, it is NOT rigging of the games. The tech is sound.

I’ve been the victim of a dodgy Casino using T&C’s to void winnings. I had to raise a complaint with AskGamblers and they actually found in my favour and I got my money.

I know this shit happens. I SAID there is lots of shady BUSINESS shit that goes on. The games, however, are not rigged. This is how this started. You claimed some technical details of how the games worked and we told you you were wrong and told you how they ACTUALLY work. That holds true. We are correct on the operation of slots.

That Casino’s will try to find legal ways (and yes, T&C’s are legal) to fuck players, yeh, lots do (especially the Curaco licensed ones). THey rely on people not reading the T&C’s and then using spurious wording and hoping people won’t fight it. That shit is awful and it happens. Not disputing that. It is legal if you breach the T&C’s and they withhold your winnings tho. It’s up to you to read the T&C’s before you play. That’s life.

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Just Basics wrote:

Argyl this isn’t a conspiracy theory for fucks sake. It’s an opinion. So get that shit outa here please. Stick to the topic.

Of course it’s a conspiracy theory. If you have the ‘opinion’ that the moon landing was fake, that’s a conspiracy theory. Your opinion is that its true.

You’re saying a big group of rich powerful companies are defrauding all their players by using underhanded tactics, against all the evidence and logic. That’s the very definition of a conspiracy theory.

Also, having an opinion doesn’t make you immune to being wrong. You can have all the opinions you like. You can have the opinion that 2+2 = 5. You’ll still be flat out wrong 🙂

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Just Basics wrote:

TheReelStory wrote:

awesomex wrote:

Let’s think about it this way: Many people are driven by the likes on their facebook posts, the retweets of their tweets and such, cus that’s what they need in order to get validation for what they’re saying. If someone says “If someone is born a fat American man, but dies their hair pink and believes they are a filipino woman, that makes them a filipino woman” and they get 10k likes on their post, they actually believe what they’re saying is the truth, regardless of the scientific facts that if you’re born a man, you will always be a man.

It’s kinda like talking to a religious nutcase – It doesn’t matter what you tell them, cus their fantasy story knows better than your scientific facts.

Where are your scientific facts then? Cause I worked in the industry and Argyl is a software developer. So we have 1st hand experience of how this stuff works. So nothing in society is driving my knowledge or decision. I know it’s true because I’ve seen it, implemented it and run it for 10 years. So that’s pretty damn scientific and conclusive (of course you will ask me for my proof which I cannot provide because you would need to be able to look through the code of every deployed slot and game server ever and then see the deployment processes to ensure the validation etc etc which is impossible to provide).

You will of course hail my lack of proof as proof that your thing is true, while not providing any shred of evidence of your own… funny that.

P.S, I will provide proof of my employment history in a private manner, if you can provide a private manner in which to do so.

lmao that like me saying I’ve been head chef for over 15 years, and I know exactly what makes a great casserole. So every casserole ever made is 100% legit.

Some of these reasonings are laughable.

And your reasonings are bullet proof because?

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Just Basics wrote:

thereelstory saying they don’t break the law. Fuck me. Does he read or watch television?

Yeah I’m done here. Have a good night fellas.

Bin a blast! ?

Yes, because the few companies that do break a law mean that every single other one is all doing it and they’re all in a big worldwide conspiracy to cover it up, despite the fact that they can make more money legally doing other stuff. Also most law breaks are minor regulatory infringements that hover on the cusp of the law where a company pushed their ‘loopholing’ just a little too far. Very different to absolutely defrauding their entire customer base.

You are far too desperate for a conspiracy

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awesomex wrote:

Let’s think about it this way: Many people are driven by the likes on their facebook posts, the retweets of their tweets and such, cus that’s what they need in order to get validation for what they’re saying. If someone says “If someone is born a fat American man, but dies their hair pink and believes they are a filipino woman, that makes them a filipino woman” and they get 10k likes on their post, they actually believe what they’re saying is the truth, regardless of the scientific facts that if you’re born a man, you will always be a man.

It’s kinda like talking to a religious nutcase – It doesn’t matter what you tell them, cus their fantasy story knows better than your scientific facts.

Where are your scientific facts then? Cause I worked in the industry and Argyl is a software developer. So we have 1st hand experience of how this stuff works. So nothing in society is driving my knowledge or decision. I know it’s true because I’ve seen it, implemented it and run it for 10 years. So that’s pretty damn scientific and conclusive (of course you will ask me for my proof which I cannot provide because you would need to be able to look through the code of every deployed slot and game server ever and then see the deployment processes to ensure the validation etc etc which is impossible to provide).

You will of course hail my lack of proof as proof that your thing is true, while not providing any shred of evidence of your own… funny that.

P.S, I will provide proof of my employment history in a private manner, if you can provide a private manner in which to do so.

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Rbreen91 wrote:

Is the earth flat disc or is it a spheroid?

It’s an oblong trapezoid with curved edges and a pointy tail 🙂

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