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Yeah coming back here to say I knew this would happen and he’d quit.

Small stakes are just not going to excite or motivate a high roller, nor will it engage the audience.

I honestly don’t know what Steve was expecting here.  When he first started on these stakes it was in a time where the casino streaming scene was still in it’s infancy.

Bandit grew because a) the format showing bonuses only is perfect and b) his stakes were a lot higher than average.

Now trying to throw the reset switch back to small bets won’t work.

The market is already saturated at the low stakes point and Bandit’s name alone isn’t enough to carry it anymore.

I just KNEW the moment I saw he’s trying to reboot the brand with low stakes it was always going to hit a wall at some point.

Not that there’s much incentive for him to carry on anyway, the $$ rolling in from affiliate sign ups is still humming along I’ve no doubt (once you’ve singed up through his links, you’re on the hook forever more) so there’s honestly no incentive for him to lift a finger now.

Although I’d love to see Bandit return in his old format (once a week, high stakes madness) I just don’t see the appetite.  After a few (inevitable) big losses he’s dabbled with different formats to stay in the game but we all know that the Bandit is the Bandit for a reason and if it cannot be done in the format which made him big, then there’s honestly no reason to bother with it at all.

I have to admit some of the videos early on Power Up around making $$ were interesting, but the slot videos honestly all sucked.

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I think Reel King will be the death of old Stevie boy 😀

Thing is, it’s actually not that good a game.  The ladder wins have created a false sense of security in that if he keeps hammering it, it’ll sooner or later deliver like it has in the past

But we all know the laws of RTP that the more times he goes back to the well, the inevitable will happen.

Don’t get me wrong, I think we all love the big stake gambling Steve is known for, but I think Reel King is catching up to RTP and will more likely screw him than give that big win.

This video, the best win for sure was the 10k hit.  That was a belter.

I’m really bummed when Steve has a big loss like this because we won’t see another video again for a long time (which is fair enough).  It’s a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation really.

Come back regularly with small stakes and no one cares

Come back with Bandit stakes and get reamed, we see maybe one video every 2 months.

What do you do?

Momentum for the channel and viewer interest is very hard to maintain…

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Steller wrote:

Most irritating is an American who goes by the name of SDGuy 1234…..yingadingding. yingadingding. ying….

That’s the gay guy who does land based in the US, yeah?

His issue isn’t that he’s entertaining, it’s that he’d deliberately obnoxious.  He’s loud and swears a lot to draw attention to himself in a public place.

He’s a major dickhead, but in small doses bearable.

Similarly, Vegas Low Roller has a similar schtick, they carry on like an absolute fucking idiot for anything to get the clicks and upvotes.

I mean, I respect the hustle and in a YouTube world of Pew Die Pie where acting like a moron gets those views I understand why they do it.

But just KNOWING it’s deliberately disingenuous is why it’s a major turn off for me.

Similarly, you see the same thing with online streamers well.  Some people are more alert to the ‘putting it on for upvotes’ crap than others, but generally we all get a feel for those who are genuine and those who are fake, either with the pretend casino $$ they spend or in their ridiculous, over the top reactions to their wins.

If you’re a gambler, you know the rush of a good hit and you know how you’re going to react to one (especially if you’re a regular)

When you watch / listen to some of these online and real life gamblers on similar wins… it’s total god damned cringe.

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Seyahkram1977 wrote:

TrickyCorn wrote:

MurciPete wrote:

i really dont give a damn what uk streamers are getting funded,  its all BS. gets to the point where they are getting so much in affiliation payments where they cant be arsed to record any more.  I mean why would you?

This is what I’m finding a lot of as well.

There’s constant debate out there on who’s legit and who’s not and a lot of us long time viewers can sniff it out pretty quickly, but there’s the affiliation side as well which doesn’t get discussed openly and honestly enough.  Let’s not kid ourselves here, big names that have been around a long time and gotten many sign ups have a lot of casino players on the hook to earn $$ – and some of those $$ are pretty serious coin.

You can tell when a streamer is making enough on passive income streams like this when they don’t post regularly anymore or get very erratic with their content.

Bandit right now has a very valid reason to not post anything, but over the last 6 months his content has been VERY sporadic and erratic at best.

Bandit has been in this game a while and has had a lot of eyeballs on his content for years.  He no doubt has a good amount of affiliation $$ coming in now and you can feel he’s just not as invested in producing new content anymore because he just doesn’t need to.

I watch Nick Slots a fair bit still, but he’s pretty arrogant and a prick a lot of the time.  He has his own little viewer circle and gets pissy on stream pretty regularly.  He’s a guy that’s made a lot of coin with Casino Grounds and has an air of arrogance around his conduct when streaming.  He’s smart and plays the hustle well, but there’s a feeling like he’s above everyone else around him now and rather than engage his viewership, he tends to come across as a cocky prick.  Some people go like that when they’ve ‘made it’.  I like his content, I don’t like the person.

RocknRolla is still the real deal and his content is good.  He’s still got the degen vibe like Bandit, but has scaled it back a fair bit in recent times.  He’s still a good go to.

Chipmunk I didn’t mind when he started, but Jordon was always a bit meh.  But looking to get more noticed and upping the bets, Chip kinda lost his way I think.  He’s constant requesting for subs/follows got real tedious and I switched off.

Craigslots and Jimbo are just fucking painful.  Their desperation to push the Gambler’s Den is painful to listen to constantly, and the banter they have with each other just comes across as an inside joke we’re pushing in on as viewers.  They just come across as fake in their presentation.  Some streamers just come across naturally, but these two do not.

Outside of that, I don’t generally watch streamers that much anymore.  They’re either coming across as desperate / fake in their engagement, or streamers who have already ‘made it’ and come across as assholes who think their shit doesn’t stink.

Casino Streaming is a tough game for sure, but there’s very few that I look forward to watching anymore.

Bandit in his prime though is very entertaining and great to watch.  Hopefully we’ll see him hit back soon after getting over this Covid shit.

Interesting way you have of outlining bandit and rolla ( my point of view is they are actually really similar… I mean realllllyy similar )

both been doing it a long time, both got viewers, both making contact, both with the “degen” vibe and so forth, both have scaled back, but when rolla does it it’s not because of the coin and when bandit does it’s it’s specifically because he’s “earned  sooo much” he doesn’t need to do it anymore ….

I’m not agreeing or disagreeing, but it’s interesting how two people who are almost line for line similar can have you think two separate things about their motivation or lack of….

 

Are they similar in format though?

Bandit has always pushed the affiliation side, but Rolla wasn’t like that.

Bandit does (almost exclusively) pre-recorded Bonus opening vids – Rolla is a streamer who fancies himself as a poker player.

I’ve watched both for years sure, but there’s definitely a pretty solid divide between the two.

I think if Rolla swallowed a 100k+ loss in a single stream, that would likely be the end of him.  Bandit takes a couple weeks off and bounces back.  I get a very strong impression those two are miles apart in their financial standing.

Whilst the personalities are quite similar, I think given the difference in their presentation format and what they promote, Bandit is by far the bigger casino affiliate.

That said, Bandit has been very erratic in 2020.  I really hope we see a return of the old format with consistency, but it just feels like he’s going through the motions this year and the passion is no longer there.

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MurciPete wrote:

i really dont give a damn what uk streamers are getting funded,  its all BS. gets to the point where they are getting so much in affiliation payments where they cant be arsed to record any more.  I mean why would you?

This is what I’m finding a lot of as well.

There’s constant debate out there on who’s legit and who’s not and a lot of us long time viewers can sniff it out pretty quickly, but there’s the affiliation side as well which doesn’t get discussed openly and honestly enough.  Let’s not kid ourselves here, big names that have been around a long time and gotten many sign ups have a lot of casino players on the hook to earn $$ – and some of those $$ are pretty serious coin.

You can tell when a streamer is making enough on passive income streams like this when they don’t post regularly anymore or get very erratic with their content.

Bandit right now has a very valid reason to not post anything, but over the last 6 months his content has been VERY sporadic and erratic at best.

Bandit has been in this game a while and has had a lot of eyeballs on his content for years.  He no doubt has a good amount of affiliation $$ coming in now and you can feel he’s just not as invested in producing new content anymore because he just doesn’t need to.

I watch Nick Slots a fair bit still, but he’s pretty arrogant and a prick a lot of the time.  He has his own little viewer circle and gets pissy on stream pretty regularly.  He’s a guy that’s made a lot of coin with Casino Grounds and has an air of arrogance around his conduct when streaming.  He’s smart and plays the hustle well, but there’s a feeling like he’s above everyone else around him now and rather than engage his viewership, he tends to come across as a cocky prick.  Some people go like that when they’ve ‘made it’.  I like his content, I don’t like the person.

RocknRolla is still the real deal and his content is good.  He’s still got the degen vibe like Bandit, but has scaled it back a fair bit in recent times.  He’s still a good go to.

Chipmunk I didn’t mind when he started, but Jordon was always a bit meh.  But looking to get more noticed and upping the bets, Chip kinda lost his way I think.  He’s constant requesting for subs/follows got real tedious and I switched off.

Craigslots and Jimbo are just fucking painful.  Their desperation to push the Gambler’s Den is painful to listen to constantly, and the banter they have with each other just comes across as an inside joke we’re pushing in on as viewers.  They just come across as fake in their presentation.  Some streamers just come across naturally, but these two do not.

Outside of that, I don’t generally watch streamers that much anymore.  They’re either coming across as desperate / fake in their engagement, or streamers who have already ‘made it’ and come across as assholes who think their shit doesn’t stink.

Casino Streaming is a tough game for sure, but there’s very few that I look forward to watching anymore.

Bandit in his prime though is very entertaining and great to watch.  Hopefully we’ll see him hit back soon after getting over this Covid shit.

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F**K off everyone that puts negative feedback on your videos dude.

 

You know what i can not believe some of these arse wipes.

Do you two understand the concept of feedback and why it’s integral and important to the development of content?

I know you both think you’re doing Stevie lad a ‘favour’ here and just want to show your support, but you’re actually getting in his way of being able to collect accurate, honest and untainted feedback so he can tailor his content better.

Having a wall of fans standing ‘guard’ against a content creator only allowing positive feedback (whilst coming from the heart no doubt) actually does the complete opposite of what the process is for.

You two trying to use aggressive peer pressure to stop feedback flowing to Steve are actually a problem, even if you don’t realise it.

Look at it another way here.  People actually taking the time to create an account on Backinamo just to provide feedback KNOWING they’re likely to get flack from the fans here anyway – do you think they don’t care at all?

Do you two think that those people who dare step in front on the angry mob here to give honest feedback have no value to Steve when he’s trying to work out what works and what doesn’t?

The success of content creation and delivery is bound by the consensus of the collective.  Basically, the more people that like what you’re doing, the more successful it will be.

Ask yourself something.  Do you think you two acting as gatekeeper for Steve only allowing certain comments through that you two deem ‘acceptable’ is helping Steve here gauging that success, or hindering him?

Think about it.

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Thing is I just want him to do what he wants. When he is playing and doing what he wants then it’s far more enjoyable for me as a viewer.

Yep, totally agree with this one.

If he sat and played 20p spins on a single slot for an hour I would enjoy it if it’s what he actually wanted to do, as you get the personality of bandit coming through.

Humans have an excellent inbuilt radar for bullshit.  We can hear it when someone is genuinely engaged with what they’re doing & when they’re just going through the motions.

I think the reason why there’s a lot of conflicting feedback on this new format is because there’s something ‘missing’ in these types of videos.

They feel more like a ‘I need to put SOMETHING out there to promote Backinamo & generate affiliate turn over’ more than ‘I feel like having a bash, let’s see where this goes’.

If Bandit was dropping 3k a day (which is Waaaay more than many of us would even contemplate, yet alone actually do) then even over 5 days that’s 15k and that’s very serious money.

But would everyone be more engaged to see a daily 3k hunt?

Or would they prefer a once a week 15k degen session where Bandit just plays whatever the hell he likes?

I would say the 2nd option for me without hesitation.

The only thing that frustrates me with Bandit more atm is he plays low variance slots without much research and bemoans the payouts and doesn’t understand what’s happening.

 

I reckon if he went back to the old format of slapping down a few grand a week to start, play just what he wants and what he’s used to and let the degen in him flow without any fixed format he’d enjoy it a lot more and the viewing would be more entertaining.

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Honest opinion of the recent return

Is it though?

I appreciate what people are saying here in regards to responsible gambling and as a family lad myself I get it.

But there’s two things I’d say here on this.

1 – The ‘honest’ feedback in this thread is tainted by the environment.  Moderation here is heavy and community peer pressure to post only positive feedback is giving a lop sided view of the discussions.  I’ve tried to give feedback here already and been shot down several times because my delivery wasn’t with rainbows and butterflies.  There’s no doubt MANY more who read comments here and don’t waste their time posting anything except positive / reinforcement messages for fear of community backlash or moderation.

2 – We don’t know Steve’s financial situation, so any assumption on capacity to gamble here is all speculation and heresay, likely influenced by our own personal financial situations.  But I will say this : these bonus hunts are great and all, but the format and stakes are generic and dime a dozen out there today.  They are nothing new (indeed, a LOT of mainstreamers out there have already moved past 2/3 quid stakes) and whilst it’s more affordable over the longer term, it also heavily conflicts with the past format of a Bandit video.

I hear Steve is pushing hard to try and put some enthusiasm into these nightly hunts, but it’s a hollow sound.

Maybe it’s just my expectations or my experience with watching his videos in the past couple years, but these videos today just don’t have that excitement factor that made the Bandit the much favoured personality he’s always been known for.

So my ‘honest’ feedback is (and I already know his community will rip me a new one for actually being honest here) is that I find these videos extremely tame, boring, run of the mill, generic and dime a dozen online today.  There’s literally nothing about these videos in the current format that isn’t being done by dozens and dozens of streamers / content creators right now & you can hear it pretty plainly in his voice that it’s not exciting him in the slightest.

People tune into the Bandit for the highs and lows of degen madness he’s known for.

These videos couldn’t be more further away from that format if you tried.

For those of you that are starving for Bandit content and willing to take ANYTHING on offer and be happy with it, good on you.  For the rest of us… these videos are as exciting to watch and watching paint dry and THAT is the ‘honest’ truth.

 

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Lol at the simps rolling out in force here…

You guys represent to everyone out there thinking ‘should I take the time to actually go to Backinamo, register an account and provide honest feedback at all?’ why they shouldn’t even waste their time.

They’ll see this sort of feedback (when Bandit ASKS for feedback) & see this… and think ‘yeah, pass.  Fanboy hangout.  Unless you’re blowing smoke up the ring they’ll have a go at you regardless.  Don’t waste your time’

Well done guys, you’ve displaying a fine example why anyone shouldn’t waste their time to register here and provide any honest feedback at all.

 

Funny thing is, I’m not actually wrong at all.

Bandit continues to play games that are low to mid variance and complains about the payouts.

He regularly plays games and has no idea what’s going on and expresses disappointment in the results.

None of you could debate that.

You decided to all go into attack mode because I worded it in a fashion that wasn’t to your liking.

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The irony you think it’s fine to call over forum members a see you next Tuesday but OH DON’T TELL STEVIE LAD HE COMES ACROSS AS A LITTLE DIM WITTED speaks volumes…

Remember, everyone who reads this forum (registered or not) sees that sort of behavior here.

Even less will inclined to bother registering here to provide feedback and be actually honest with the Bandit when they have to deal with the simps that roam this sub assuming ‘one rule for me, another for thee’…

 

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thunderball6 wrote:

You need to learn some manners . Feedback is fine . But you come across as a bit off a cunt .

Yeah, that’s really helpful Thunderball.

You’re not doing him any favours here, you’re just getting in the way of the feedback loop.

Because the comments don’t conform to your own personal delicate sensibilities and you’re trying to inhibit honest feedback, you’re actually doing the opposite of what you think is helpful.

Cutting off feedback from the YouTube space itself is one thing, but when people are forced to come and register here to give feedback only for simps to get their knickers twisted when the feedback isn’t sunshine and rainbows just makes it worse.

Steve is clearly tinkering with the format of the channel at the moment.

If the only real honest feedback he gets is people blowing smoke up his arse, how is that helpful?

Does he just wait for his subs to drop away sharply, the up/down vote ratio to die and then complain ‘Why didn’t anyone SAY ANYTHING?’

Probably because of comments like yours basically bashing people for not giving feedback that isn’t done with a spoonful of sugar…

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Bandit has admitted that things will happen if and when the funds are there. SO if you enjoy watching Bandit and I mean truly enjoy watching HIM then you have no issue if the stakes are 20p or £20. Yes, the insane money is more exciting but it isn’t everything and some of you folks should refrain from speaking for EVERYONE because you just can’t and are wrong to do so.

IMHO this is one area I believe there was a fundamental error made on removing the ability to comment on YouTube.

Funneling all video feedback to this site where people need to create an account, have a presence and ensure their commentary (no matter how blunt or nasty) can be filtered out essentially ensures the ONLY feedback you’ll see is positive.

The feedback loop is a critical tool for any content creator to have access to, in all it’s uncluttered and unfiltered glory.

If we cut that off just so feelings are not hurt, we actually break the medium to give feedback that’s honest, direct and valuable at all.

I don’t think anyone is speaking for everyone else here at all, as much as trying to give feedback that’s supportive and critical without crossing the mod boundary of accepted standards.

In the end, the only real feedback Steve will get on whether this format is accepted or not at the present time will come from the upvote / downvote ratio on his videos and the YouTube metric reports on the back end.

The majority of feedback here will honestly be tainted because it’s going to be dominated by positive posts and moderated.

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Duggan89 wrote:

to be honest i never looked at it from a financial stand point ….obviously i wouldn’t like to see anyone in a financially difficult place!

 

i suppose you cant please everyone

 

i love watching him either way , however u must admit even he sounds bored in these low slot bonus hunts lol

Yeah, Stevie lad has said this a number of times (you can’t please everyone).

Being a responsible adult myself (hell, I don’t even PLAY slots – I’m just fine watching others do their cash in), I can appreciate why it’s a difficult position for him.

I think the biggest problem now is how he rolls back the audience expectation?  It’s pretty clear from the feedback already that viewers are less than satisfied with the current format, but are they that bored with it they’ll stop watching?

That’s the million dollar question here I guess.

Bandit’s following is built around his mad lad degen style play with roller coaster emotions.  I’m personally not even sure if he can rebrand himself at this point to maintain his following if he dials it back down again.

As it’s been mentioned before, 2/3 quid stake bonus hunts are done by every 2nd slot streamer out there now and many go above that on a regular basis.

Is there even room in the current streamer market for anyone (even with Bandit’s reputation and following) to join them and make enough of a difference to keep a big viewership?

I guess we will find out over the coming days / weeks if this is the new norm.

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Sol Deus wrote:

Hello fellow degenerates,

I’m an Australian who’s lurked for too long on Backinamo and The Bandit’s YT channel and finally decided to get involved. I have a question though, and I’m aware it’s probably been asked before so bear with me.

But WHY ARE COMMENTS DISABLED?

I feel like the lack of engagement on his channel really throttle his growth, I assume he doesn’t play for the money, but the thrill of gambling.

There’s also never any bio description of each video for things like merch, or a link to this website.

Personally I’d like to see him grow as a YouTuber and spread this beautiful community that’s he’s hidden away.
Am I just nieve here?

Happy to hear thoughts or explanations,

Take it easy mates!

For two very simple and honest reasons to be fair.

1 – To control the conversation and narrative.  Comments on this site can be closely monitored and controlled, YouTube allows all and sundry to leave feedback in the style they wish.  Important difference.

2 – To bring traffic to Backinamo.

 

I honestly don’t give a damn what other excuses are being rolled out here to explain it, but this is the simple reality here of the why.

I personally think it’s bad optics for the Bandit brand, but it’s his baby at the end of the day and he can run the show as he likes.

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Isit Just me or is everyone’s opinion the same!

please dont give me grief or take it as an insult lol

He’s caught between a rock and a hard place here I think.

We saw a string of BIG losses from Steven earlier in the year and whilst the roller coaster ride is fun when you’re not in the driver’s seat, the old lad has a wife and kids to think about too.  No responsible adult with a wife and kids can or should continue that level of recklessness indefinitely.

Ultimately, he’s a entertainment personality for you lot but that’s it.  If he does his arse and goes broke, you go back to your lives with a shrug and Steven has to manage the fallout.

So I definitely appreciate where he’s coming from trying to keep it slow and tight.  He can still promote the site and affiliate links without suffering too much financial loss in the process.

BUT

This is also where his past patterns are coming back to haunt him too.  He’s created an image of his gambling style that has literally promoted him to another level above and beyond your garden variety casino streamer.

People love the roller coaster rides, massive stakes and massive wins.

How do you realistically go back to 3k bonus hunts, keep it interesting and ensure your long time viewers stay engaged?

All I can say is I’m glad I’m not the Bandit here…

He’s literally damned if he does, damned if he doesn’t at this point right?

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